183(ish) build

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183(ish) build

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My second Dumble type build. Huge THANK YOU to everyone that has made the layout and schematic freely available here on TAG.

AN Silver chassis
Edcor Iron
3x Noval
4x EL34
Alpha pots
3 footswitchable relays-PAB, FET and OD.
20 AWG solid conductor PVC jacketed wire

Following 183 values shown on current layout by Tony Albany.
https://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13095
Current production NTE MF where indicated and CF from Jelle. Caps as noted on layout, all current production.
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Layout and schematic by Tony Albany
https://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13095

Eyelet layouts by Martin Manning
https://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... b5c6f717c1

FET bias procedure by Martin Manning
https://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18389
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Re: 183(ish) build

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Looking good!

Just a heads up those current production NTE in 1/2W are metal oxide, not metal film.

-Dan
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dbharris wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:15 pm Looking good!

Just a heads up those current production NTE in 1/2W are metal oxide, not metal film.

-Dan
I appreciate the heads up but are you sure?

Their website states they are Metal Film.
https://www.ntepartsdirect.com/ENG/CATEGORY/RESISTORS

I really hope their website is correct because I got quite a few...
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Re: 183(ish) build

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GAStan wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:23 pm
dbharris wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:15 pm Looking good!

Just a heads up those current production NTE in 1/2W are metal oxide, not metal film.

-Dan
I appreciate the heads up but are you sure?

Their website states they are Metal Film.
https://www.ntepartsdirect.com/ENG/CATEGORY/RESISTORS

I really hope their website is correct because I got quite a few...
I just sent an email inquiring about this to NTE's customer service, I'll post here any response I receive.
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Re: 183(ish) build

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GAStan wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:02 pm
GAStan wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:23 pm
dbharris wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:15 pm Looking good!

Just a heads up those current production NTE in 1/2W are metal oxide, not metal film.

-Dan
I appreciate the heads up but are you sure?

Their website states they are Metal Film.
https://www.ntepartsdirect.com/ENG/CATEGORY/RESISTORS

I really hope their website is correct because I got quite a few...
I just sent an email inquiring about this to NTE's customer service, I'll post here any response I receive.
I am pretty sure, but please let us know what you find. I spoke with several vendors trying to track down any MF they may still have in stock over the summer. A couple confirmed that NTE phased out MF, the shiny blue type you see in many Dumbles and replaced them with MO the dull greyish type you have.

-Dan
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dbharris wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:45 pm I am pretty sure, but please let us know what you find. I spoke with several vendors trying to track down any MF they may still have in stock over the summer. A couple confirmed that NTE phased out MF, the shiny blue type you see in many Dumbles and replaced them with MO the dull greyish type you have.

-Dan
I also sent an inquiry to nteinc.com tech assist. Their datasheet just says "METAL" on the top, not specifying Film or Oxide. Now I'm not so sure they are MF like I was before. Regardless I'm going to see how they sound. If I don't like them I've got a full set of CF from Jelle I can put in with current production Dale RN and CMF MF for plates and cats.

Yes I'll definitely post any replies I get from NTE, but might be some time with the Holidays....
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"The selections includes: Metal Film Flameproof, Power Wirewound Cermet, and Carbon Composition."
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jabguit wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:19 pm "The selections includes: Metal Film Flameproof, Power Wirewound Cermet, and Carbon Composition."
I agree it does state that.

This is one of the resistors I ordered, HW215 1/2 watt 1k5 MF
https://www.ntepartsdirect.com/ENG/PRODUCT/HW215
It states this is Flameproof Metal Film.

Yet the datasheet available at the bottom only states METAL, not specifying if MF, MO or anything else.

On NTE's website searching for the same part number HW215 gets the same datasheet with no other information.
https://www.nteinc.com

Tip: once on the product page click CHECK STOCK to see links to several electronic vendors.
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metal oxide and metal film are all FILM, correct name for metal oxide is metal oxide film..

i think that NTE is MOX blue and gray version the same, only old/new, but to be sure must be destroyed and compare the resistance track inside between those NTE and regular MOX resistor....i never did because i find NTE so rarely in this part of the planet :P
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I got a few today and will do tests. They may be the same, jelle
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Be careful with this here, the resistor will short once the conformal coating gives out. I would move it away from the nut. jelle
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jelle wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:29 pm Be careful with this here, the resistor will short once the conformal coating gives out. I would move it away from the nut. jelle
or replace steel nut with a nylon nut....
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Re: 183(ish) build

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Thanks Jelle and Jack for the catch and suggestions.

I'll pt a longer screw and nylon spacer like on the other screw holding the FET board. I don't have any nylon nuts or screws.
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Just move it over a bit...
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