Cascading channels in tweed amp

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Cascading channels in tweed amp

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How would one go about cascading the channels on a 5e4a
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Check out Hoffman's 18W Stout project here:

http://www.el34world.com/projects/image ... tout_8.gif

The switch that puts V1a and V1b in series can also be configured as a relay for remote activation.

Good luck!
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Here's the simplest way I can come up with... Layout included. One wire on the schematic turns into several on the layout. This is untested, of course, so procede at your own risk!
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Will that work with the shared cathode? Since the signals into the two triodes will be out of phase...

I've done a 5E3 into a cathode biased Princeton like amp and used separate cathodes and a 'normal' wired volume control. It ended up either needing NFB like a Princeton or much smaller coupling caps (0.022uf and 0.01uf's).
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rock_mumbles wrote:Will that work with the shared cathode? Since the signals into the two triodes will be out of phase...
As long as the cathode resistor is bypassed it shouldn't be a problem.
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Here's another switch option. You might need to tweak a bit to get both options sounding how you like.

[IMG:470:432]http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv78/dvnator/Amp%20Stuff/5e3cascadeswitch-schem.jpg[/img]
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Re: Cascading channels in tweed amp

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Here's a couple of ideas

Simple single/parallel V1 using input jack tip switches (no extra switches required on chassis) - but this won't do cascading stages. I built several amps with this arrangement and I find it very versatile.
[img:369:494]http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5338/8843 ... c7c8_o.png[/img]

More complicated with a DPDT switch required, but does do cascaded, single, or parallel inputs. (I haven't tested this idea yet myself)
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Re: Cascading channels in tweed amp

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martin manning wrote:
rock_mumbles wrote:Will that work with the shared cathode? Since the signals into the two triodes will be out of phase...
As long as the cathode resistor is bypassed it shouldn't be a problem.
True enough, but since the signals will be at significantly different magnitudes, you might want to split the cathodes to experiment with different bias points, bypassed/unbypassed, etc.
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I was going for dirt-simple, and preserving as much of the existing circuit as possible. My first thought was that you could just do it like the inputs on a Marshall 2204, but then the KISS took over.
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Re: Cascading channels in tweed amp

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I guess I should have elaborated in my original post. I thinking about building a 5e4a tweed super ( I know the original post said 5e3, my f up) where channel one cascades into channel two, but channel two is completely operational as a stand alone low gain input. I am trying to maintain as much of the original circuit as possible. My original thought was a single input jack with relay switching to access the two channels.
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jon wrote:I guess I should have elaborated in my original post. I thinking about building a 5e4a tweed super ( I know the original post said 5e3, my f up) where channel one cascades into channel two, but channel two is completely operational as a stand alone low gain input. I am trying to maintain as much of the original circuit as possible. My original thought was a single input jack with relay switching to access the two channels.
Elaborated!? This is a completely different question!
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Move one of each channels 68k inputs to ground. Swap a pair of resistors to split the signal on channel A with one to ground and the other attached at the junction of channel B's 68k input pair. It might be something like 470k/180k up to 50% ratio without squealing wheelies.

Now when you plug into A you get gain, and B is normal. You can use the switching jack to ground A's signal there when in B if you look close.

B is the only gain/volume control now. You might need a master.. (hint hint)

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Just build this SK-Super Delux see schematic.

The last 5e3 I built I went with single input and master volume like what Mission amps does.
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Re: Cascading channels in tweed amp

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Pretty cool M Fowler

How does the dual pot with the presence and master on the same shaft work?

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RB wrote:Pretty cool M Fowler

How does the dual pot with the presence and master on the same shaft work?

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