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lord preset wrote:I am just getting ready to start an AO-39 conversion - also 2-el84 and similar voltages but it's a smaller chassis. I'm using this as a guide to do an 18 watt Lite build:

http://home.comcast.net/~seluckey/amps/ ... ammond.htm

The author was able to drop B+ by using a 5Y3 rectifier tube and a beefy power resistor.
Here's what I have so far. This was an odds and ends build using parts on hand with as few exceptions as possible hence the cap board inside vs can caps. This my 1st attempt at PTP wiring -it's interesting to say the least. I followed sluckey's schematic for his AO-39 but added a cut control. I'll go over it tomorrow before firing it up. I'm sure something will be wrong :roll:
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Just got a L-133 w/ an AO-43-1 amp on a trade, complete with tubes and speakers though they are not in the chassis. Am curious if the original Hammond speakers are any good for guitar, I now have 4 12's and would like to put them to use....will definitely use the grille cloth from the 3 organs I've been given.



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Yes the organ speakers are good for guitar most often they are CTS speakers.
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M Fowler wrote:Yes the organ speakers are good for guitar most often they are CTS speakers.
Thanks, that is good to know!...the new ones are Rola's but I have another set from a K-133 also, will check out the codes on them.

BTW, found a Hammond L-100 series manual online that has schematics, etc., might be helpful for some...
http://dl.lojinx.com/analoghell/Hammond ... Manual.pdf
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donzoid wrote:Funny but so far through this build, I kept telling myself it isn't worth the extra hassle of salvage/rebuild....then I end up picking this up for the cost of gas...
I just picked up an M100 like that a couple of weeks ago. Eleven tubes on the amp... when I get my current project done I'm going to tear into this one.
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M Fowler wrote:Yes the organ speakers are good for guitar most often they are CTS speakers.
Check the speaker ID sites and compare your codes there, mine came with a Jensen Alnico 35/40w 12".
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My L-series has 2 Heppner 12" in it, but I am certainly going to try them since they are alnico.

One thing I have found after looking at (literally) dozens of speaks out of these, is that they never "doped" the edges of their cones for this application (at least I haven't seen it yet). So it's likely if I do like their tone, before they start to occupy half my slant front, they will get a ritual doping.

Billc, I know you can look up the first three numbers on the speaker edge at Weber and they have the code set for most all mfg.'s.

http://www.webervst.com/codes.html

The last three numbers are date of mfg.
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Very good Preset! I have been preoccupied for a couple weeks, mostly getting my arse kicked all 'round by the IRS. I am not brave enough yet to try a true point to point - but I like the idea for the future.
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donzoid wrote:My L-series has 2 Heppner 12" in it, but I am certainly going to try them since they are alnico.

One thing I have found after looking at (literally) dozens of speaks out of these, is that they never "doped" the edges of their cones for this application (at least I haven't seen it yet). So it's likely if I do like their tone, before they start to occupy half my slant front, they will get a ritual doping.

Billc, I know you can look up the first three numbers on the speaker edge at Weber and they have the code set for most all mfg.'s.

http://www.webervst.com/codes.html

The last three numbers are date of mfg.
Thanks, I did check out the K-133/AO-68 speakers yesterday and they are two 12" Heppners too. Plan to start on the AO-68 first, it is point to point vs. the tag board on the AO-43, looks like an easier job and it works as is. Tentative plan is to go with an Ampeg design on the AO-68 as it has 7591 tubes and maybe a Matchless Spitfire with the AO-43.
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I considered the Spitfire also for this one....I think the Ceriatone Creme Brulee layout was the same if it helps (I think that was the ef86 pre right?).
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Looks like I'm stuck now in "diagnostics mode". I tried plumbing in that zener diode I bought (56v/50w) its an NTE5278AK last night, and was surprised to see on my DVM, that the secondary voltage hasn't dropped. At all. I still have 350v dc at B+(1). So this morning I jumpered across it and it appears to be doing "nothing". Same exact readings.

Was I misunderstanding the concept of this to expect about a 290v B+ after installing it? Or is this diode just faulty? It passes the diode check on my meter but I don't necessarily trust that now. I'm sure I got the correct CT wire (not the heaters one).
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M Fowler wrote:Yes the organ speakers are good for guitar most often they are CTS speakers.
Its hit and miss some of them sound good some of them sound like hammered dog shit.
I had an alnico rola from a SS organ that sounded great
I have some heppeners that sound terrible
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Thanks Cbass...a friend has a couple of the Rola's, so I'm going to "aquire" those for a side-by side.
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OK I think perhaps I just have the wrong CT wire selected for the zener. I'll have to check that out hopefully I can get this sussed out and get this puppy built this weekend.

Edit: after lifting both CT wires and re-testing, it IS the other CT wire that I should tie to the zener.
Doh!
I figured the HT secondaries would have the smaller diameter wire since they only pass mA of current...wrong! Its that big fat red and yellow one.
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donzoid wrote:OK I think perhaps I just have the wrong CT wire selected for the zener. I'll have to check that out hopefully I can get this sussed out and get this puppy built this weekend.

Edit: after lifting both CT wires and re-testing, it IS the other CT wire that I should tie to the zener.
Doh!
I figured the HT secondaries would have the smaller diameter wire since they only pass mA of current...wrong! Its that big fat red and yellow one.
who gave you that stupid idea? :oops: :oops:

glad you got her figgered out, check yo pms :D
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