martin manning wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:55 pm
GAStan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:17 pm...If i were to take the poll now...
I wondered too how many people might have changed their views after all the back and forth.
I do know the answer to that one.
I would be hugely surprised if anyone changed their views. Maybe a few newbies, maybe not.
After a person accepts a certain belief, it is difficult-approaching-impossible to get them to change it. The more evidence they see to the contrary, the harder they cling to their belief. That's why I inserted the link.
https://thisisindexed.com/2011/04/you-c ... st-belief/
Here's another good one:
Here's a cogent quote on the topic:
Mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information.
The concept was introduced by the psychologist Leon Festinger (1919-89) in the late 1950s. He and later researchers showed that, when confronted with challenging new information, most people seek to preserve their current understanding of the world by rejecting, explaining away, or avoiding the new information, or by convincing themselves that no conflict really exists.
Combine this with Dunning-Kruger, and you get a really, really strong bent toward staying with mythos in spite of new information.
This is not my first rodeo; I've been having this discussion with a series of magic-parts people since at least the 1990s. I had no expectation at any time in this thread that anyone would change their strongly held views. Logic just bounces off believers, who channel their efforts into attacking the new info and reinforcing their previous belief.
I keep it up primarily because I might reach someone early when they're open to change, and because the culture does change slowly over time. The "can't get tone from a stone" cadre have gone noticeably more silent over time. I used to get people attacking me based on my favoring solid state rectifiers, on the theory that any time music goes through silicon, it's degraded. But that's faded out quite a bit. I got a strong blast when i posted the "MOSFET Follies" stuff at geofex, but I see it's getting incorporated in stuff now, over a decade later.
Culture change is slow. But over time, Mother Nature and Her laws do win out.