brexit has really messed up UK amp builders- now with puppy photos

[pompeiisneaks]

Phil, this thread started as a political disscusion with words like racist being thrown out and nobody seemed to bothered.
CW

That was directed specifically at the british populus, and was an opinion and wasn't directed at any specific forum members.

I am bothered by racism for sure. It exists for sure.

But that's again too political for some, and I don't see how it is politics to condemn or recognize racism?

I feel in general humans should be able to speak their opinions without personal attacks at others. Is that an unclear line? I know everyone tries to make things clear black or clear white but that doesn't exist in the real world.

~Phil

Phil, I think you missed my point and you may not like my opinion. The idea that all the people voted for something because they are racist is...well pretty offensive. Whether you live in the UK or you voted a certain way in in the USA. Again my opinion, not directed at a specific person, and yes political, Liberals have thing about if you disagree with them you are bad, racist, stupid, etc. and when you call them on it they get angry and don't want to talk. This sh.t is getting pretty old. Getting back to the topic in reverse, all the places I used to buy things from in the UK won't sell to the USA at any price anymore. Is that brexit or...?
CW

I never said I agreed with the sentiment that everyone that voted for brexit was racist. Nor did I think marcus did, he did imply that racism and xenophobia was at the core of the vote.

In fact I will quote him:

One of the biggest reasons for Brexit voters voting to leave the EU was Xenophobia and racism....period.

ONE of the biggest reasons. He didn't say 'all british that voted for this were... I don't know if that's true, I don't live there, so I have to leave that up to his opinion.

You also did qualify a blanket black and white statement very clearly that

Liberals have thing about if you disagree with them you are bad, racist, stupid, etc. and when you call them on it they get angry and don't want to talk.

But I only want to stop talking when insults fly, because that's when the other person isn't actually trying to listen to you, nor are they trying to understand you, they know you're a horrible person (wrong) and aren't worth listening to (also wrong). I was raised in small town Utah, and was always surrounded by conservatives, but was liberal from a very early age, against expectations. that doesn't make me better, right, or more important, it's just a fact. I then spent almost 4 years in the army, surrounded by almost exclusively conservatives that I find some of the most trusted people I've had in my life.

The constant attempts to blanket fit people into black or white lines is the biggest problem we're facing in the world I believe right now. I don't see most conservatives as anything more than other humans trying to find happiness in life. I do see right now a small percentage of the facist right wing racist white supremacists running around a HUGE problem, but it's a small minority, not the majority.

I'm not offended by your opinion at all and so long as no insults are thrown, we can all learn something about one another and become more tolerant, aware, kind people... imo.

I'll also add I greatly appreciate all the help you give me with amp stuff. You're smart, talented and generous with your time. DESPITE BEING CONSERVATIVE!!!!

I may be wrong there, you didn't say you were, so apologies if I've misspoken.

~Phil

[Charlie Wilson]

Phil, fair enough. Yeah I guess I am known as the poorest conservative in Orange County, CA. Just know that the values or lack of, even by the establishment right, are not my values. Life is short and I believe that everyone regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation, etc. has a right to enjoy their life and be treated with respect and dignity. I just don't trust the government to do it for us. They screw everything up. I think we have to do it ourselves. We have turned into such a fear based society and the media thrives on peoples misery. I just want to build another amplifier.
CW

[pompeiisneaks]

Phil, fair enough. Yeah I guess I am known as the poorest conservative in Orange County, CA. Just know that the values or lack of, even by the establishment right, are not my values. Life is short and I believe that everyone regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation, etc. has a right to enjoy their life and be treated with respect and dignity. I just don't trust the government to do it for us. They screw everything up. I think we have to do it ourselves. We have turned into such a fear based society and the media thrives on peoples misery. I just want to build another amplifier.
CW

I am Phil and I approve of this message

~Phil

[norburybrook]

I just wanted to build another amplifier and then I realised that was no longer possible the way it was a month ago...hence my post.


well moderated Phil, that showed emotional intelligence

As I said I don't normally do political discussions on the internet for the very reasons we've seen in this thread.

Charlie, as Phil said I never said or implied all berixteers were racist, it was a big part of the targeted propaganda though. As you 've shared your political and social situation , which is cool as it helps get a bit more a of picture of someone here's mine

I would call my self a Socialist ..... don't tell the unamerican activities squad................

I live in the London equivalent of Compton, in fact my neighbour Freddy is from Compton came here in 1975. I've lived here half my life have great friends and neighbours and despite the obvious 'issues' with a neighbourhood like this it's been great for me as a middle aged white man to actually address my own institutionalised/propagandised racism I never knew I had, I now realise most white people of my generation and above can't help but be racists , they just don't realise it. I'm not talking about shaved headed right wing lunatics here, just ordinary 'good' people, they've been brought up in an intrinsically institutionalised racists system, so fo course they're racist it's just subtle and they don't realise.

White privilege is something that's very hard to see when you're white, but when the penny drops it's so obvious you can't understand why you didn't see it before. I spent many years talking to friends and neighbours , reading books and studying the whole thing and it's still a journey and subject I'm very passionate about so is my soon to be wife who as well as being a great singer re trained and has been a practicing BACP therapist for 10 years and has a Black supervisor, so our family discussions are very often based on these issues. Our Neighbour Freddy is marrying us in May how cool is that?



here's some good reading if anyone is interested in racism

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Natives-Class- ... 952BWKE0KK

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Longer-Talking ... 15BYMNDHXN




right normal service should now be resumed. My long posts have been because of the puppy Lucinda and I are doing rota system as we can't leave him alone yet. He's just been for a walk, I've cooked his food for the day...boiled chicken and rice-(he's had a really bad tummy for days, probably stress and this seems to have worked) and now he's asleep so I'm sat on my laptop.


I feel like a new parent.


peace and love people ......we all need to stand shoulder to shoulder to help make a better world for everyone.


M

[didit]

I just wanted to build another amplifier
[...]
peace and love people ......we all need to stand shoulder to shoulder to help make a better world for everyone.

And so let's explore this appetite. Perhaps a bit of assistance helps.

Best .. Ian

PS - That puppy is quite cool. Once he grows into those paws will doubtless, with good guidance, chill out.

[norburybrook]

I just wanted to build another amplifier
[...]
peace and love people ......we all need to stand shoulder to shoulder to help make a better world for everyone.

And so let's explore this appetite. Perhaps a bit of assistance helps.

Best .. Ian

PS - That puppy is quite cool. Once he grows into those paws will doubtless, with good guidance, chill out.

Ian.

Day 6 and he's been an absolute delight today. A change of diet and him starting to feel safe he's been amazing. We actually left him alone for 2x 20 min stretches today, one time with the door open and he just stayed in his bed, no noise, no fuss. Unbelievable transformation . here's the evidence.

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He's curled up on the sofa next to me now.



M

[pdf64]

...Mouser now have a minimum 300 parts for orders to the UK as below that because of the new paperwork duties etc it's not worth it...

I can’t see anything on their website regarding this?
I tried a 1 line shopping basket, and their system seemed happy to proceed with that, still even get free shipping/delivery if the order value is over £33, duty and customs fees paid by Mouser.

[norburybrook]

...Mouser now have a minimum 300 parts for orders to the UK as below that because of the new paperwork duties etc it's not worth it...

I can’t see anything on their website regarding this?
I tried a 1 line shopping basket, and their system seemed happy to proceed with that, still even get free shipping/delivery if the order value is over £33, duty and customs fees paid by Mouser.

I'll re check that then because last week my friend called me to say when doing his order this situation had come up.


M

[norburybrook]

you're correct , my bad. It wasn't mouser it was a different supplier that had changed to the minimum 300 pieces order.


So that's good at least Mouser are still OK.


M

[stelligan]

Unbelievable transformation . here's the evidence.

He's curled up on the sofa next to me now.
M

Whippet good!

[Synchu]

I used to use a lot the UK ebay for NOS tubes and Andertons for some guitar and recording gear. Also had friends that used Modulus amplification and purchased stuff from them as well and all that sadly will be no more.
Too much hassle and dealing with the customs drives me mad, besides the added cost.

Niki

[_Steve]

Tube town postage instantly went from £10 to £30 and we how have t pay VAT and import duty on top of the the cost of all parts.

The VAT and import duty you mention are actually just the same thing. When you import into the UK you pay 20% "Import VAT", basically just like you would have to pay if you bought something domestically.

Pre-Brexit you would have just paid VAT to the selling country - in this case Germany which is 19%, but that tax is non-applicable for exports (eg when you choose the country in the shopping cart it reduces the price / removes the VAT). So in terms of taxes, duties etc you are paying 1% more. There are no additional import duties per the terms of the free trade agreement.

The shipping cost is crazy. Here we can ship between US/Canada/Mexico for a fraction of that and with less hassle it seems. I hope that that, and the bureaucracy at the border can get sorted out soon if cooler heads prevail for everyone's benefit.

[norburybrook]

Tube town postage instantly went from £10 to £30 and we how have t pay VAT and import duty on top of the the cost of all parts.

The VAT and import duty you mention are actually just the same thing. When you import into the UK you pay 20% "Import VAT", basically just like you would have to pay if you bought something domestically.

Pre-Brexit you would have just paid VAT to the selling country - in this case Germany which is 19%, but that tax is non-applicable for exports (eg when you choose the country in the shopping cart it reduces the price / removes the VAT). So in terms of taxes, duties etc you are paying 1% more. There are no additional import duties per the terms of the free trade agreement.

The shipping cost is crazy. Here we can ship between US/Canada/Mexico for a fraction of that and with less hassle it seems. I hope that that, and the bureaucracy at the border can get sorted out soon if cooler heads prevail for everyone's benefit.

Steve so for regular people i.e.non VAT customers tube town prices should be 19% lower then? I'm not sure that's the case though. If so that's fine and as you would expect.

Import duty was never added before and because of the brokering fees by whoever makes the payments that can mean for example £20 on top of the import duty. which may be only a few pounds on a small object. so add that to the £30 postage and you have £50 or about $80 to our US friends , to pay in postage and collection fees plus duty on every order.

On top of the need for Carnets for every country now when touring and the PRS deciding that to do a live stream from my kitchen I have to pay £57 license to broadcast , musicians are getting royaly shafted by our government. Boris rejected the no Carnet free travel of musicians in the Brexit deal....i mean why? what good is this new situation for any of us?

M

[ChopSauce]

what good is this new situation for any of us?

M

Same question on my side of the pond ...

[_Steve]

Steve so for regular people i.e.non VAT customers tube town prices should be 19% lower then? I'm not sure that's the case though. If so that's fine and as you would expect.

Import duty was never added before and because of the brokering fees by whoever makes the payments that can mean for example £20 on top of the import duty. which may be only a few pounds on a small object. so add that to the £30 postage and you have £50 or about $80 to our US friends , to pay in postage and collection fees plus duty on every order.

On top of the need for Carnets for every country now when touring and the PRS deciding that to do a live stream from my kitchen I have to pay £57 license to broadcast , musicians are getting royaly shafted by our government. Boris rejected the no Carnet free travel of musicians in the Brexit deal....i mean why? what good is this new situation for any of us?

M

Yes I tested with Tubetown.de - the 19% VAT is removed once it figures out you are outside the EU. I wouldn't be surprised if some or even many retailers aren't that sophisticated though. I had something shipped from the UK to US recently and the guy incorrectly charged me VAT and didn't want to remove it once I pointed it out to him. There's a general low understanding of how VAT works.

The brokerage fees are insane. Im guessing this is a particularly bad shipping company. UPS for example does the brokerage/clearance for free. I hope this kind of thing is a teething problem and starts to get better over time. All these things generally don't happen elsewhere, for example between the US & Canada so there's no inherent reason it should be the case between the UK & EU.

I don't know enough about the carnets to comment other than its not surprising that politicians/government can make a hash of something that should be simple. Im certainly no Boris fan.

I lived 20 years in the UK, but I've also lived in France (married to one!), New Zealand, Australia, the US and Bermuda so I have a perspective both inside and outside the UK/EU.