Top Hat Club Royale gut shots posted

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Top Hat Club Royale gut shots posted

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Here's some gut shots of the Top Hat Club Royale that I am selling for a customer. In an earlier post, I was needing some help with it's value. I received some very good advise and am returning the favor with some requested gut shots. This is an impressive build!

Sorry bout the less than stellar photography.
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Now that's the kind of build quality I want to see when someone is charging good money for their work. Looks like they really took their time with the layout and actual building.
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thanks for sharing! it really is a beaut-ner as we say in Maine. definitely an inspiration and something for me to strive to create something that nice!
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As much as I am a fan of a neat layout, I do not care for the excessively sharp bends in solid core hookup wire. It may look cute, but it will lead to failures in the long run - not recommended.
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+1
I really can't imagine what the motivation is for 90 degree bends like that.
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Zippy wrote:As much as I am a fan of a neat layout, I do not care for the excessively sharp bends in solid core hookup wire. It may look cute, but it will lead to failures in the long run - not recommended.
I did notice that on the yellow wire, the insulation looks crushed where the bend was made. If the bend angles weren't so steep it wouldn't be a big deal but regardless, still a nice layout to look at.
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I don't quite get why everyone thinks solid core wire will break when you do sharp bends? How is it going to lead to failure? Is it not the same as sharply bending a resistor lead?

I really doubt they have ever had any problems with their wires breaking.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_(material)

Not sure if an issue here, but can be, especially with poor wire stripping technique.
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eddie25 wrote:I don't quite get why everyone thinks solid core wire will break when you do sharp bends? How is it going to lead to failure? Is it not the same as sharply bending a resistor lead?

I really doubt they have ever had any problems with their wires breaking.
I don't bend component leads in a hard right angle either. The standard that I learned as a navy nuclear-qualified electrician was bend radius = 5 x diameter. There's nothing gained from making a hard square bend other than the ooh-ahh factor to the uninformed.
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Zippy wrote:
eddie25 wrote:I don't quite get why everyone thinks solid core wire will break when you do sharp bends? How is it going to lead to failure? Is it not the same as sharply bending a resistor lead?

I really doubt they have ever had any problems with their wires breaking.
I don't bend component leads in a hard right angle either. The standard that I learned as a navy nuclear-qualified electrician was bend radius = 5 x diameter. There's nothing gained from making a hard square bend other than the ooh-ahh factor to the uninformed.
This. Great rule of thumb.

Typically I will just use the outside diameter of my pliers (needle nose for thin wires, regular for fatter wires) to make these bends. No benefit to the sharp angles and if you pulled off the insulation from that yellow wire, you will probably see some stressing of the conductor right at the bend.
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I mean, I understand the theory of why not to do it, it's just that with one sharp (I should say semi-sharp) bend with a normal pair of pliers I just don't see this ever being an issue. I tested it myself once and the wire only looks to be stressed if you bend it more than once, but I'll trust you guys.
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No! Don't trust anyone. Especially these guys. :P

That sharp bend just makes no sense to me. I ask myself why would I do this? Not what is the harm? I can't think of any good reason to do it, but there are some possible reasons why I wouldn't want to.
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vibratoking wrote:+1
I really can't imagine what the motivation is for 90 degree bends like that.
Cause It looks cool . I agree though those bends need SME radi

It is a nice looking build though .is that some polystyrene caps I see?
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Guess they aren't concerned with current crowding... :P
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He makes beautiful amps. In my opinion they are sterile and lifeless, but insanely well done.
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