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Building signal cap substitution box

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Hello everyone,

I picked up this old sweep marker/generator a while back, and thought it would make a good enclosure for some multi-test equipment. I plan on building a pair each of capacitor sub boxes (one pair is going to be Mallory 150 series, the other OD PS series) plus heavy duty potentiometers to dial in dropping string resistors, bias range resistor, preamp cathode resistor, and a selector switch setup for cathode bypass caps. Also i have space inside the enclosure to house Martin Mannings wonderful 300W dummy load setup (Thanks Martin, its my go to tool every day!) Everything would connect to the circuit via banana plug cables.

My biggest concern is swapping out bypass caps and signal caps while the amp is live. The switches i am looking at getting are 120VAC 5A 50vDC rated - i think this would be ok as the B+ side of most signal caps see roughly what, no more than 3/4 amp current draw? I know you can use a bleeding resistor across the capacitor to prevent the inevitable loud popping noise you would get if you switched capacitors - and ive also read that each capacitance needs a different amount of resistance to prevent the popping noise. How would you figure this out (even if i have to resort to...ugh...math :( ) without spending a lot of time swapping out resistors?

I also made a faceplate for it, so it doesnt look like i butchered a perfectly good looking, albeit useless piece of test equipment :)
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Looks like a cool project.
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I think that Google can be your friend on this. Examples:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a ... ction-Box/
http://www.afcaforum.com/attachment.php?id=33695
The latter image is, by itself, instructional. You've asked the break before make vs. make before break question. The image shows several caps wired in parallel, each with a switch. If you build this way (more complex, I know and somewhat impractical) you will be able to keep at least one cap in the live circuit at all times.

One more for good measure, maybe what you really have in mind and not so many switches?
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Thanks Phil. I was thinking about this in regard to my other thread about the power supply dropper resistor. Then I got a wild hair up my ass and decided to see if this thing will work. Lol.
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Would these switches hold up for signal cap swapping?

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/CK- ... jaJA%3d%3d
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Just be forewarned that at times the long lead length of clipping in the box will make for oscillations !
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For coupling caps i put this switch in an amp, i guess à la Matchless, no pops no issues in a couple years of use. The resistors are 5M1, 1/6w.

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Thank you Dave! Just what i was looking for.

Do you happen to have a part number on that switch? Thanks!
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I have another and the only markings are Alpha with 8H1 stamped on the back. I think it came from Mouser and may be this one (non-stocked now) but mine is 2p6t.

http://ca.mouser.com/catalogviewer/defa ... atalog=647

Small Bear have a 1x12 from this line.

Lorlin, E-switch, C&K all have similar switches and Alpha have a metal frame at a pretty good price. (Canadian prices)

http://ca.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Alph ... 2fs9Quk%3d
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AES has that switch in shorting or non-shorting configuration. Radio Shack also has it. If you get the shorting version (AKA make before break) you can eliminate all those 5.1M resistors as used in that body control switch. But if you're looking to build a cap sub box you don't need the resistors anyway. You may be more interested in the single pole 12 position version of this switch.

https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/P-H392

https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/P-H390
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Wouldn't the resistors be necessary to prevent loud popping when I flip between cap values?
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As the man said,
sluckey wrote:If you get the shorting version (AKA make before break) you can eliminate all those 5.1M resistors
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That switch is dirt cheap direct from China bought on eBay. You will need to be patient about delivery lead time. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-2-Pole-6-Pos ... 45faef319a

Or there's this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alpha-6P2P-6-po ... 3a92fab967
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