New ODS chassis from Thailand

[AtomCap]

You could remove the Dumble lettering, little TecniTool Flux off and a qtip it will be gone instantly - wont hurt the powder coating or anodize either..

just sayin..

[Mark]

Interesting about the CE chassis, I get the feeling they are now Cause and Effect amps.

That brings the question about other chassis makers?

A friend is going to build an amp using a Ceriatone chassis, but besides the Ceriatone and the Indonesia chassis what are the options?

Getting back on topic, keep the pictures coming of your build. It would be nice to see how it turns out. Clips would be good too.

[samrock55]

Most of us are aware of it. But we choose to to respect Alexander Dumble by not using his name on a copy of one of his amps.

My feelings are a bit different than most. I dont want to make a counterfeit amp with his name on it but, if its his original design and exclusive tone circuitry then its a Dumble. I am paying respect and homage to him because of that exact reason. If it was a hybrid of sorts then probably not because we all borrowed circuitry from others. Like Fender, Marshall ect. And they all borrowed from someone. So that being said its his just a thought?

[erwin_ve]

Most of us are aware of it. But we choose to to respect Alexander Dumble by not using his name on a copy of one of his amps.

My feelings are a bit different than most. I dont want to make a counterfeit amp with his name on it but, if its his original design and exclusive tone circuitry then its a Dumble. I am paying respect and homage to him because of that exact reason. If it was a hybrid of sorts then probably not because we all borrowed circuitry from others. Like Fender, Marshall ect. And they all borrowed from someone. So that being said its his just a thought?

Dumble is a trademark; https://trademarks.justia.com/763/66/du ... 66099.html
So if anyone is selling a chassis with that name besides Dumble, it is violating the trademark and Dumble can sue you.

[jcsifu]

Most of us are aware of it. But we choose to to respect Alexander Dumble by not using his name on a copy of one of his amps.

My feelings are a bit different than most. I dont want to make a counterfeit amp with his name on it but, if its his original design and exclusive tone circuitry then its a Dumble. I am paying respect and homage to him because of that exact reason. If it was a hybrid of sorts then probably not because we all borrowed circuitry from others. Like Fender, Marshall ect. And they all borrowed from someone. So that being said its his just a thought?

Dumble is a trademark; https://trademarks.justia.com/763/66/du ... 66099.html
So if anyone is selling a chassis with that name besides Dumble, it is violating the trademark and Dumble can sue you.

This is why.

[dan46n2]

This thread got me wondering how one would know a real Dumble from a fake assuming someone used consistent build parts and techniques like HAD. I’m sure HAD has a list of everything’s he’s made but without going to him how would you know? If you are looking at an obscure serial number no one has heard of for example?

[erwin_ve]

This thread got me wondering how one would know a real Dumble from a fake assuming someone used consistent build parts and techniques like HAD. I’m sure HAD has a list of everything’s he’s made but without going to him how would you know? If you are looking at an obscure serial number no one has heard of for example?

Just like you do with old Gibson LP. I had a "so called" Gibson LP from 1968, went to a specialist with a taxation request for insurance. Turns out a previous owner made it look like a 1968 LP but was in fact a 1976 LP... Glad it wasnt a counterfeit which isnt unusual either...

[gtomax]

I built my 124 with a Ceriatone chassis and head cab so I didn't have to worry about them not matching up. As usual Nik was great and you can buy the chassis without faceplates (which I did). I made my own faceplates with front panel express. Nik swapped the front grill to vox cloth as well and it arrived quickly and well packed. Highly recommended.

[sds1]

Dumble trademark is long expired, not that you need a trademark registration in the USA in order to assert legal rights to it.

But I have always thought it a bit strange... you can degoop, copy, publish diagrams for etc the man's life work right down to every visual detail including the font on the faceplates but putting his name on it is where it crosses the ethical line?

Whatever.

[samrock55]

My feelings are a bit different than most. I dont want to make a counterfeit amp with his name on it but, if its his original design and exclusive tone circuitry then its a Dumble. I am paying respect and homage to him because of that exact reason. If it was a hybrid of sorts then probably not because we all borrowed circuitry from others. Like Fender, Marshall ect. And they all borrowed from someone. So that being said its his just a thought?

Dumble is a trademark; https://trademarks.justia.com/763/66/du ... 66099.html
So if anyone is selling a chassis with that name besides Dumble, it is violating the trademark and Dumble can sue you.

This is why.

Makes sense thanks for the clarification

[erwin_ve]

Dumble trademark is long expired, not that you need a trademark registration in the USA in order to assert legal rights to it.

But I have always thought it a bit strange... you can degoop, copy, publish diagrams for etc the man's life work right down to every visual detail including the font on the faceplates but putting his name on it is where it crosses the ethical line?

Whatever.

The trademark is not expired, it was renewed in 2014 for 10yrs.
One can reverse engineer a Ferrari car and build you own, is fine legally, putting a Ferrari name on it and sell it is illegal. It is violating the trademark.
When can talk ethics here, but selling stuff with a trademark that is not yours, is risking to be sued fron a legal point of view....

[pompeiisneaks]

Dumble trademark is long expired, not that you need a trademark registration in the USA in order to assert legal rights to it.

But I have always thought it a bit strange... you can degoop, copy, publish diagrams for etc the man's life work right down to every visual detail including the font on the faceplates but putting his name on it is where it crosses the ethical line?

Whatever.

The trademark is not expired, it was renewed in 2014 for 10yrs.
One can reverse engineer a Ferrari car and build you own, is fine legally, putting a Ferrari name on it and sell it is illegal. It is violating the trademark.
When can talk ethics here, but selling stuff with a trademark that is not yours, is risking to be sued fron a legal point of view....

There's a huge difference in building one offs for personal use vs building and selling something that's a complete ripoff of someone elses's work. There are many that make custom built clones that don't rip off the name, but spend a lot of effort in the recreation of something that's extremely difficult to procure, I get that too, because you can't copyright a schematic so far as I understand it.

Dumble is still charging extremely high rates for a few amps a year enough to make probably triple what I do in a year, or more... So I don't think he's being hit too hard

~Phil

[talbany]

Back around 2003/04 if you wanted to build an ODS that cosmetically looked like an original the Thai chassis were the only option.This was way before Brandon or CE and anyone else on the forum was offering a replica chassis. I know quite a few builders at the time didn't like the illegal trademark on the amp. There were several here who would create their own badges to cover the name.It's funny that after I built my first replica on the Thai chassis i played that amp out every weekend for several years and cannot remember 1 person at any gig ask me if that was a real Dumble ODS?. I even put the amp in a music store where I teach for several weeks for anyone who wanted to check it out and not 1 person knew what a Dumble amp was. As a kind of joke I took the amp into a local Guitar Center and showed them the amp and the guy's who worked there didn't recognized it or say wow is that a Dumble? I still have that amp.

We are in our own little Dumble world.

Tony

[norburybrook]

Back around 2003/04 if you wanted to build an ODS that cosmetically looked like an original the Thai chassis were the only option.This was way before Brandon or CE and anyone else on the forum was offering a replica chassis. I know quite a few builders at the time didn't like the illegal trademark on the amp. There were several here who would create their own badges to cover the name.It's funny that after I built my first replica on the Thai chassis i played that amp out every weekend for several years and cannot remember 1 person at any gig ask me if that was a real Dumble ODS?. I even put the amp in a music store where I teach for several weeks for anyone who wanted to check it out and not 1 person knew what a Dumble amp was. As a kind of joke I took the amp into a local Guitar Center and showed them the amp and the guy's who worked there didn't recognized it or say wow is that a Dumble? I still have that amp.

We are in our own little Dumble world.

Tony

indeed I think the internet has changed that though in the last 15 years. If you did the same now it would be a different story.


M

[talbany]

Back around 2003/04 if you wanted to build an ODS that cosmetically looked like an original the Thai chassis were the only option.This was way before Brandon or CE and anyone else on the forum was offering a replica chassis. I know quite a few builders at the time didn't like the illegal trademark on the amp. There were several here who would create their own badges to cover the name.It's funny that after I built my first replica on the Thai chassis i played that amp out every weekend for several years and cannot remember 1 person at any gig ask me if that was a real Dumble ODS?. I even put the amp in a music store where I teach for several weeks for anyone who wanted to check it out and not 1 person knew what a Dumble amp was. As a kind of joke I took the amp into a local Guitar Center and showed them the amp and the guy's who worked there didn't recognized it or say wow is that a Dumble? I still have that amp.

We are in our own little Dumble world.

Tony

indeed I think the internet has changed that though in the last 15 years. If you did the same now it would be a different story.


M

Marcus
As a quick side here to your post..Perhaps the Guitar Center incident would be different. My Music store was last year and although I don't gig as much now however the past 2 years I was giggin just twice every weekend and used the amp fairly regular still nothing
I left VVT Amps in 2011 and although we did build a version of an ODS still very few players even heard of Dumble. That might be different now.