Steve Farris ODS #075

[FUCHSAUDIO]

The player, the guitar, the speaker, etc...all affect your final tone. I've heard people play through my rig and sound totally different than I do....go figure. . Build your amp for YOU and YOUR tone.

[wjdunham]

Ya, unfortunately I sound like me through just about any rig - spent a lot of money figuring that out
Bill

[Structo]

Me too!

[RevD]

Ditto. I came to that conclusion several years back, I mean I always felt it was the players touch and the way they interact with the instrument, but several of us were able to put it to rest one Sunday at a jam.
One of our local players had for lack of a better word, just this real thin tone on a strat. The guy is pretty well off and shows up with all the best of everything and seems delighted at showing off all his great new gear (no slam, we all would if we could probably).
On this one particular night, he gets up for his 5 or 6 tunes and breaks a string on his strat. Rather than spend time changing it out, one of the guys hands him a P90 Les Paul which is normally rather a warm sounding axe (at least this particular one, its got antiquities in it and sounds real nice).
This dude straps it on, plugs in and what do you know, there is that same weird thin tone he gets with the strat. It totally confirmed our suspicions that the player gets the bulk of the tone, of course the amp is a contributing factor too, but even with another amp and axe this dude sounded totally the same as most of us do. On another occasion I heard him on a fat sounding Humbucker guitar, same tone... THIN!! Its in his hands.
Moral of the story? Those chasing the Slash sound with his gear, or any other name guitarist with they're exact gear you'll need to forget trying to 100% nailing another guys tone, it ain't happening. Yes you can get close, but duplicating it? Forget about it.

Regards,

Rev. D.

[talbany]

Hands/Brain/Soul

Amp

Guitar

In that order..

I was testing out a fresh build with a guitar (Strat copy) my partners daughter won in a ring toss at 6 flags..A customer walks in says man that sounds great..Who made the guitar, what kind of pickups.. I of coarse had to have some fun with him at first finially telling him what it was he couldn't believe it..Have a Nice Day!!!

Tony

[mojotom]

Well Max I was the one asking you about a choice of tonestack and even if some are building great amps I'm all about learning and building on my own.
I bother Tony and Jelle a lot about it and thanks to both of them to answer all my questions. They both been really helpfull.

Now that we got some idea about what tonestack was used It would be nice to know what to expect from differents pots values.

Tony seems very pleased with 1M bass and treble but report the tonestack to be very limited, enough to set for a different guitar but not much.
Jelle advise to use a classic late 70's classic stack with 250k for bass and treble, less agressive than a 13 era tonestack, more blackface oriented and in my mind more responsive.
From what I read from previous thread 13 alike tonestack seems really opened and more agressive but limited (less versatile), 40 alike seems too middy and classic tonestack seems more soft but responsive to tweak from the pots.
I've build a lot of amps but just one modded 124 and I'm not such a tweaker. I'd like to test and try a design after burn in but before modding the amp I'd like to understand why it sounds that way. I've tried the tan Dumble, my own 124 tweaked and some ultraphoenix Fender but I have no idea what to expect from a 70's neither an idea of some artists using them.

As far as guitar is concerned I really think after brut talent (hand, musicality and such) I prefer a bad guitar into a wonderfull amp than the other way around and with a well tuned Dumble you're in the right direction...

Cheers to Jelle and Tony ! And everyone here too.

[Max]

I have no idea what to expect from a 70's neither an idea of some artists using them.

Some artists:

Introduction:

Two (for those with sharp eyes) 70ies Dumble amps - one at least with a "classic" tone stack. Have Fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAbbgSKUZB4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LdG4DgXObs


Part 1:

Prototypes, 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation Dumble ODS with "pre-classic" tone stacks:

Tommy Cougar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lxtbGn2hX0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5rXDkk_1aQ

David Lindley (Jackson Browne "Running On Empty" e.g.)

Danny Kortchmar (Jackson Browne "Running On Empty" e.g.)

http://www.amazon.com/Running-Empty-Jac ... 738&sr=1-1

Lowell George (’77 to ‘79 recordings)

(If you like this, you should try to find one these crappy sounding seventies strats, too)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8V1olWt8I0

Karl Ratzer ("Moondancer")

http://music.napster.com/karl-ratzer-mu ... ms&origin=

http://music.napster.com/karl-ratzer-mu ... s/12052500

http://www.emusic.com/album/Karl-Ratzer ... 19230.html

http://www.enjarecords.com/cd.php?nr=ENJ-9357

Rick Vito (Jackson Browne "Lawyers In Love", Fleetwood Mac "Tango In The Night", "World tour ‘87", Bob Seger "Like A Rock")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I23kiv4f0_s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keIvA2wSPZc

Interview with Rick Vito:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSHo16Pkmj4


Part 2:

"Pre-classic" ODS updated to "classic" specs. / "transition generation" ODS / "4th generation ODS" - all with a "classic" tone stack:

Larry Carlton (80ies, "Friends", "Last Nite" e. g.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCGqgXQ8gqg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOeB4oANTVg

Robben Ford ("Talk To Your Daughter")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUbf8FOu2ek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zj8aS1nTkI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tlmv0fcY38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8QDRok0Tmk

Steve Farris (Mr. Mister and many other studio sessions)

http://vodpod.com/watch/3576574-dailymo ... usic-video

http://vodpod.com/watch/368227-mr-mister-is-it-love

Harry Marte Band ("Angels Wings")

http://www.audioty.com/sounds/marte.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d4elb_1MFE

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/ ... ition=used

Carl Wilson ("Youngblood", "The Beach Boys" ‘85, "Beach Boys at Live Aid" e.g.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqYwfRlPmaE

And last but not least and no matter what amp and stack and pots you hear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVlIFVJLP8I

and his last song for his childs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNPo9uBddao


Good Vibrations!

Max

[markusw]

Thanks a lot for this great compilation, Max!
Do you know if Karl Ratzer played his Dumble ony any other records ?
BTW, I had the pleasure to hear him 2009 30th Dec at Porgy/Vienna. He played a combo at this gig. Couldn't see what amp this was.
Any idea if his Dumble is a combo?


Peace,

Markus

[talbany]

Max
Thank You!!... Great set of references!!!.. Everyone Cut and paste..

Have a great Day!!..

Tony

Listened to the slide solo on like a Rock again.. Still get the bumps.. Tone/playing/note choice.. It's all there!!

[Max]

Thanks a lot for this great compilation, Max!
Do you know if Karl Ratzer played his Dumble ony any other records ?
BTW, I had the pleasure to hear him 2009 30th Dec at Porgy/Vienna. He played a combo at this gig. Couldn't see what amp this was.
Any idea if his Dumble is a combo?


Peace,

Markus

As far as I know he did use his 3rd generation Dumble combo only on "Moondancer" and live for some time.

http://music.napster.com/karl-ratzer-mu ... ms&origin=

http://www.emusic.com/album/Karl-Ratzer ... 19230.html

He has bought this combo after he once played this ODSR of a fellow musician and friend:

http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/s ... 70-O-1.jpg

As far as I know he sold his combo at some point, as he prefered the amount of cash these amps fetch these days. He had some hard times, as many great players in Europe (and not only there). And of course his heart and soul are great enough to can get connected with his audience with a blackface Twin as well:

http://music.napster.com/karl-ratzer-mu ... ms&origin=

http://itunes.apple.com/album/saturn-re ... d270057221

and some more:

http://music.napster.com/karl-ratzer-mu ... arget_tabs

I love his playing from the 60ies and later his Chaka Khan and Chet Baker days up to now. If he picks up his Tele and plays the blues, it's pure magic. I like musicians who have some personal stories to tell. But of course, all a matter of personal taste.

Karl, I hope you are well!

All the best,

Max

[Max]

Listened to the slide solo on like a Rock again.. Still get the bumps.. Tone/playing/note choice.. It's all there!!

Yes, indeed. Magic.

Have a great day too,

Max

[boldaslove6789]

Thanks Max, Thats it I'm starting an ODS referance thread!!

Who's ever got em, paste em!!

[jelle]

Max,

Why was the treble bleed removed from the design during the transition to the Skyline?

Thanks!

Jelle

[RevD]

Lowell George (’77 to ‘79 recordings)

(If you like this, you should try to find one these crappy sounding seventies strats, too)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8V1olWt8I0

Thanks for this post for a old Feat fan, great series of tunes. Yeah you'll need a telecaster bridge pickup in that old strat and 2 compressors to cover Lowell too... Thanks again!

Regards,

Rev. D.

[markusw]

As far as I know he did use his 3rd generation Dumble combo only on "Moondancer" and live for some time.

http://music.napster.com/karl-ratzer-mu ... ms&origin=

http://www.emusic.com/album/Karl-Ratzer ... 19230.html

He has bought this combo after he once played this ODSR of a fellow musician and friend:

http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/s ... 70-O-1.jpg

As far as I know he sold his combo at some point, as he prefered the amount of cash these amps fetch these days. He had some hard times, as many great players in Europe (and not only there). And of course his heart and soul are great enough to can get connected with his audience with a blackface Twin as well:

http://music.napster.com/karl-ratzer-mu ... ms&origin=

http://itunes.apple.com/album/saturn-re ... d270057221

and some more:

http://music.napster.com/karl-ratzer-mu ... arget_tabs

I love his playing from the 60ies and later his Chaka Khan and Chet Baker days up to now. If he picks up his Tele and plays the blues, it's pure magic. I like musicians who have some personal stories to tell. But of course, all a matter of personal taste.

Karl, I hope you are well!

All the best,

Max

Max, thanks again
I also heard that Karl sold his Dumble. About two months ago I talked to Luki (his drummer on Moondancer) and he thought that Karl still has it. He wasn't sure about it though...
Do you know of an image of Karls Dumble or a similar one?

May I ask who's Dumble it was that prompted Karl to buy his own?

BTW, if you happen to be in Vienna in August... Karl has two gigs at Porgy...

Peace,

Markus