Ingrid Vector Board with T42-1 Push-In Terminals. Mouser

[RockinRocket]

Vector site has it and its widely available. Its the same hole spacing while not the same color as Ingrid but it looks identical in the light cream color as in the Undocumented Express photos. Is the Ingrid vectorboard (or the Undocumented Express or others) Fr2 Phenolic? FR4 Epoxy Glass? Both widely available at mouser. Geetarpicker also said his Liverpool also had the same boad as in Ingid. Maybe he will chime in if his it was the same color as Ingrid.

The T42-1 Terminals where also the terminals used? It sure looks like it to me. Looks like it fits The Undocumented Express and Ingid. The difference between the Vectoboard in these two is Ingrid has twice as many holes as Undocumented Express. Looks to be the same size holes that would fit the T42-1 Terminals.

169P44XXXP for the fr2 Phenolic creamish board
169P44 for the FR4 Epoxy Glass search those part numbers.

Dont mind the photo the stuff is lightish cream from what ive searched

[RockinRocket]

Interesting.. either folks are not interested in their Wreck looking like a late KF Wreck or I am wrong. But I dont think so. Ingrid has Vector "P" spacing. The current terminals that fit those holes are the T42-1 terminals. It looks crazy close if not identical to Ingrids terminals. The known vertical size of a Wreck preamp board is 2.25". I know Ingrid is "P" spacing because "P" spacing has 10 holes per inch. Ingrid has 21holes with the saw cut through the 22 hole. A 4.5 inch board has 44 holes. So Ingrid should be ruffly 2.25 inch.

You can make two Wreck sets from a 4.5 X17 board and two bags T42-s for 35$ if you daring enough to not buy the insert tool. Using turrets would work fine but for anything Wreck it just dosnt seem right especially when its so cheep to have it look correct. I have seen the Ingrid clear/white boards as well so its possible.. as well as the light cream boards.

What say you? Any information and opinions would be great. If not I will be the guinea pig.

[RJ Guitars]

It's an interesting thing these days... there seems to be a minimal amount of TAG traffic and only a few new projects posted up. I am thinking it is something to do with everybody having a good summer with lots of outdoor recreation and other stuff going on... I can usually tell what time of year it is by how many amps those guys up in Minnesota and Michigan are building. They really get productive once Thanksgiving is past and the Easter bunny has not yet seen his shadow... or something like that.

Anyway, I bought a couple of the later series Vectorboard perf boards - they were white colored and had a pretty small hole in them. I played with them a bit using eyelets rather than turrets and made up a Rocket board... I was just looking for a way to reduce the total amount of metal acting as an antenna and the eyelet is minimal. It's a much better quality board than the old vectorboard and even though it is only 1/16" thick it seems pretty robust. I haven't tried the terminals you are talking about... I have enough flea clips here to build myself one original spec Wreck somewhere along the way and I'll probably drill the holes out that I need and use flea clips.

I am especially curious if those terminals are easy to work with? I had a custom staking fixture made up for the turrets and eyelets... flea clips are a royal pain to install but I haven't actually done any soldering to them yet... seems like they should solder easy enough...

[RockinRocket]

Rj do you remember what the material of the new vectorboad you used was? I wonder if their is a noticeable difference between the different material other than the fire rating. Anyways the "p" spacing might actually be "H" spacing. Its the same hole spacing as the "P" but the hole is a .062" in diameter instead of .042". Ingrids photos wont zoom in well and that makes it hard to know exactly intill I get them in the chassis.

I noticed Allynmey's Rocket has the same Terminals clips as the Undocumented Express. The V clips ive been talking about. He said in his thread that the hole size was .093". If thats true then those clips are extinct now. But it dosnt really matter as they still make Ingrids size or at least very close desendents of those clips.

[RJ Guitars]

Took me a while to find it, but I went way back into my EBAY records and viola, it was still there...

Looks like .042 hole size and the spacing looks something like .088 between centers. It's definitely a whiter color than any other Vectorbord I've seen. Since this was from EBAY I'm not sure how old it was. I paid $20 for two full sheets in the original wrapping so the price was right.

[RockinRocket]

Cool RJ. Ive sen those also. They are still for sale on Ebay with the same photo as you posted. Vector still has them as well. So you think the ones you had were a lighter color than The Undocumented Express or the one photo of a JM Trainwreck? The look so close. Its just hard to tell because of the age might have affected it a bit and different cameras/lighting. Once I can make up my mind about Ingrids hole spacing thats what im using. Even if its not exact as Ingrid it probably dosnt even matter as Ken was unorthodox about his board/terminals and this stuff with verctor terminals has Trainwreck writen all over it.

[caphead]

I've got a question; what type of turret/metal inserts are most of you guys using with this type of perf-board? I know KF used those little 'fork' like inserts, but by all indication these are no longer available. I actually started out building amps on perf-board with small cut-off finish nails as my 'turrets'; it actually worked very well in that the nails were held in by both the compression of the perforations and the nailhead being on the bottom and soldered component being on the top. But anyways, RockinRocket thanks for the heads up on the supply of the good perf-board, I've been looking everywhere for this stuff....

[xtian]

small cut-off finish nails as my 'turrets'

Oh, that is MacGyver as all get out!

[RockinRocket]

I've got a question; what type of turret/metal inserts are most of you guys using with this type of perf-board?

Ive looked through everyons builds with pictures still attached from page 1 to 88. The lucky ones used the "flea clips" that are basicaley extinct now (although I may have a lead on a whole lot of them). And the rest just used turrets/fleas with Rj repo perf or Danas stuff he made years ago. Allynmey is the only one Ive seen who used the turrets im talking about which is or a directed decendet of a later Ken build.

Im going to bump that thread because I have a few questions for Allyn.

[caphead]

small cut-off finish nails as my 'turrets'

Oh, that is MacGyver as all get out!

Macguyver was my nickname in my gigging days, lol! But yeah, it was definitely an unorthodox solution but it worked well (and still continues to work in a number of amps I built from that era, which at this point is 10 years+). I've actually got a project for someone (actually a metal guitarist) who is looking Trainwreck style amp and I want to get many of the particulars right, including the layout. But thanks again RockinRocket for the info regarding the board attachment points. As I said, I'm most certainly looking to make things as reasonably close to authentic as possible but I really couldn't justify buying NOS stuff just to use as turrets; I'll leave this limited stock to you guys who go the whole 9 yards building the type of beautiful reproductions that I've seen on this forum. So it actually seems as if my finish nail (actually 18GA wire nails) solution might actually might be the right way to go with things here.....