Robben playing a Two Rock?!

[jborders5]

MY question could you rebuild a TR to sound like a Dumble, Possibly are your pockets are deep.
First look at the filter supply of the stock TR Illinois capacitors 22uf @ 450v $1.86 each x 4.
2 each 220uf @ 350v $5.49 each for a grand total of $18.42.
Mallory TC-75 20uf @ 450v $20.15 each x 4
Mallory TC-594 200uf @ 300v $43.71 each x 2 for a grand total of $168.02
Next you could look at the resistors; I think I should stop at this point no disrespect to K & M.
The video I have never heard Mr. Ford’s telecaster sound so bad ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQCQetC6Oc
Sounds great in this video, Hail the green hornet.

I'm not defending Two Rock nor am I a member of the Two Rock "fan club", but have you been in one of their amps recently? I've only owned one of the their amps and it was a rats nest inside, but all of the recent amps I've seen have been pretty well built. Below is a gut shot of the TS-100 amp Robben is playing. Nichicon, Sprague PS & Atoms, Dale RN65, etc..

[img956]http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1593/ts1100.jpg[/img]

[67plexi]

Nice clean looking build. I will never use a non made in the USA stamped sprague atom ever. I had the + ends flame out fry, never had a Mallory fail.
But if I was in the amp building biz I understand the price point.

[ampdork]

Where else besides the US are Sprague Atoms being made?

[erwin_ve]

... when done properly that you can get extremely similar tones from both.

Well maybe for you. Do you think this ampbuilders forum is going nuts when choosing a particular value for a particular component?
If we can't discuss sonic differences in circuits/components, I doubt this is the right place for you.

[ampdan]

Where else besides the US are Sprague Atoms being made?

Only US made. Unless they're counterfeits. Here is the email I received from Vishay. I deleted his phone numbers and email.

Dear Mr.



Thank you for your interest in, and fidelity to, our Sprague TVA Atom caps.



These products have been manufactured in the same facility in the US since Sprague first launched them. There are no Atom caps being manufactured offshore by Vishay.



Now, I am curious about the failures you mentioned, could you give me some more details? We have had cases of counterfeit Vishay products in the market, including aluminum capacitors, although I have never seen a case with TVA Atoms. Given their popularity in segments such as Audio, I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody would have seen that as an opportunity.



Please feel free to contact me in case of any doubt



Regards





Walter Bonomo

Director Product Marketing Aluminium Capacitors

Senior Manager Regional Marketing Aluminium Capacitors and MLCC Europe

Phone:

Cell:

Email:

[Steven_nl]

I saw Robben play live 2 months ago. 2 fender amps and a OD box (not even a Zendrive). Sounded just like...........Robben LOL

[Structo]

I wonder why Two Rock uses the huge filter cap board, then stick in a cap can?

[67plexi]

From 2007-2008 is when I got a rash of bad Sprague Atoms.
Venders, Ampwares, Antique electronic, Mouser. I switched to Allied electronics at that point.
I don't think the spragues were fakes, Just can't take plate voltage.
Sprague may have fixed it since 2008 I will never know.
Spragues with the made in USA stamp have been 100% good. Pre. 2007.

[Mr Dumble]

... when done properly that you can get extremely similar tones from both.

Well maybe for you. Do you think this ampbuilders forum is going nuts when choosing a particular value for a particular component?
If we can't discuss sonic differences in circuits/components, I doubt this is the right place for you.

Maybe for me? Again, anytime you want me to post blind clips so you can show how easy it is to tell the diffencees, just say the word!

I have both HRM and NON HRM ciruits side by side. When done properly as these are, both can sound almost dead on with each other. If someone wants to build one or the other, choose according to the flexability or other differences, as tonally, both can sound very much alike.

[mlp-mx6]

I have both HRM and NON HRM circuits side by side. When done properly as these are, both can sound almost dead on with each other.

I am not trying to be argumentative, but this statement makes no sense to me. If they're "done properly"? Does this mean that "improper" ones have a significant difference, but "proper" ones don't?

[pinner]

4x12 Marshall cab, right?

Too bad the recording isn't good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkeYT62T1k

Fattest Tele tone I ever heard. Only one comes close...........Tags amp.

Mike

Yes. You can see it @ 3:13 of the "tell me i'm your man clip."

[Tonegurus]

4x12 Marshall cab, right?

Fattest Tele tone I ever heard. Only one comes close...........Tags amp.

Mike

Yes. You can see it @ 3:13 of the "tell me i'm your man clip."

That accounts for a bunch of that fatness.

[dr. who]

I play mostly acoustic right now.

Since you're a gear head I will put onto something special in the acoustic dept. http://thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=785765
That Bob Altman guitar is the best sounding acoustic I have ever heard. It is radially braced and has a very thin top. It is very loud for it's size and the tone is to die for. It isn't lacking in the bass like more guitars of this size. It's action plays like butter. It is one of the sister guitars to Norman Blake's guitar, but it sounds a zillion times better. The harmonic richness of the guitar is unsurpassed. It was in my hands for a while, but is now owned by MJ07. He's selling almost all of his gear due to financial reasons. If I had the cash I would get it in a heartbeat. It is to acoustic guitars what the 183 was to dumble amps. Simply badass.

[Mr Dumble]

I have both HRM and NON HRM circuits side by side. When done properly as these are, both can sound almost dead on with each other.

I am not trying to be argumentative, but this statement makes no sense to me. If they're "done properly"? Does this mean that "improper" ones have a significant difference, but "proper" ones don't?

Yes the good Dumbles are very hard to tell if they are HRM or not. At least the ones I have played. Same with the better clones I have played. Example: My Quinn HRM and my killer old TwoRock Custom (Non HRM) sounded very,very similar. I punched in and out with both amps over the same song several times,, and if I did not write down the times of the punches and which was which, it would have been almost impossible to tell what was what. I posted the clips and had the same results I found.

[makrisp]

4x12 Marshall cab, right?


Mike

Yes. You can see it @ 3:13 of the "tell me i'm your man clip."

That accounts for a bunch of that fatness.

Amazing how thick that tele sounds in the bridge position.