Dumble note flipping caught on sound file!

[ChrisM]

A 100W amp is quiet when you set the MV like you do ya bonehead.

It was a honest question. Thanks for the answers.

Different than a quiet 100 watt amp though brainless.

Glad this monkey boy could help you!

O so now were turning this into twisting how things are interpreted and making this some grammar/english forum. This is an amp builders forum Tag, just look to the top of the page.

[Mr Dumble]

A 100W amp is quiet when you set the MV like you do ya bonehead.

It was a honest question. Thanks for the answers.

Different than a quiet 100 watt amp though brainless.

Glad this monkey boy could help you!

O so now were turning this into twisting how things are interpreted and making this some grammar/english forum. This is an amp builders forum Tag, just look to the top of the page.

Yep! Trolling. Back on topic please. You have any info on the note flipping thaing?

[dreric]

Any opinions will be much appreciated. Sorry if I hijacked this thread.

Don't worry about hijacking the thread. Threads featuring Tag aka Mr Dumble are always the same and end the same.

1. Mr Dumble hears "something" in his amp(s) it is good. He names the something.
2. Others try and hear it to, some can some can't.
3. We argue over the "something".
4. Sometimes there is valuable information in the arguing, sometimes not.
5. Mr. Dumble who heard the "something" rejects everyone else's impressions or perceptions of the "something". Stating once again, and again, justo to make sure that we know (in case we forgot) that ONLY his amps contain the "something".
6. Mr. Dumble challenges all builders except Dumble and Shad to make an amp that duplicates the "something" to his standards.

it's always the same.....................

Eric

Eric,

Like USUAL, I stated what I heard, and provided a clip specifically pointing it out. Yea, some hear it, and some do not. Like USUAL, I thanked those for helping me understand technically what I was hearing. Like USUAL I am going to state what amps "I" have heard it in. It actually helps me understand why I like certain Dumbles and D style amps, and not others. I stated "I" need that "thing" that SOME Dumbles do. Some probably dont even want that. Scott says he loves the heavy feedback thing. GREAT! Does 183 do that? I dont even know, because I have never tried to get it, nor do I care. You dont see me posting clips to "prove" it can do it, because it means nothing to me.

Suggestion to you. Dont read my threads or posts. Like always, it seems you are only going to get your feelings hurt again. Now lets cut the personal BS and keep this on track.

Tag:

1. Don't tell me what to do.
2. The fact that you would state that I could get my feelings hurt by you is truly delusional.
3. As to cutting the personal BS..........I must say that I am a bit at a loss. You see, if I was a different person then perhaps I would get personal on your BS. I will confess that it has crossed my mind. My experience with other narcissists has taught me that they don't really understand or appreciate character assessment.
4. Lastly, IMO it's your personal BS that has you banded from one forum and gets your threads routinely locked down on this one.

It's always the same...................

Eric

[Mr Dumble]

Don't worry about hijacking the thread. Threads featuring Tag aka Mr Dumble are always the same and end the same.

1. Mr Dumble hears "something" in his amp(s) it is good. He names the something.
2. Others try and hear it to, some can some can't.
3. We argue over the "something".
4. Sometimes there is valuable information in the arguing, sometimes not.
5. Mr. Dumble who heard the "something" rejects everyone else's impressions or perceptions of the "something". Stating once again, and again, justo to make sure that we know (in case we forgot) that ONLY his amps contain the "something".
6. Mr. Dumble challenges all builders except Dumble and Shad to make an amp that duplicates the "something" to his standards.

it's always the same.....................

Eric

Eric,

Like USUAL, I stated what I heard, and provided a clip specifically pointing it out. Yea, some hear it, and some do not. Like USUAL, I thanked those for helping me understand technically what I was hearing. Like USUAL I am going to state what amps "I" have heard it in. It actually helps me understand why I like certain Dumbles and D style amps, and not others. I stated "I" need that "thing" that SOME Dumbles do. Some probably dont even want that. Scott says he loves the heavy feedback thing. GREAT! Does 183 do that? I dont even know, because I have never tried to get it, nor do I care. You dont see me posting clips to "prove" it can do it, because it means nothing to me.

Suggestion to you. Dont read my threads or posts. Like always, it seems you are only going to get your feelings hurt again. Now lets cut the personal BS and keep this on track.

Tag:

1. Don't tell me what to do.
2. The fact that you would state that I could get my feelings hurt by you is truly delusional.
3. As to cutting the personal BS..........I must say that I am a bit at a loss. You see, if I was a different person then perhaps I would get personal on your BS. I will confess that it has crossed my mind. My experience with other narcissists has taught me that they don't really understand or appreciate character assessment.
4. Lastly, IMO it's your personal BS that has you banded from one forum and gets your threads routinely locked down on this one.

It's always the same...................

Eric

Eric,
More trolling. This is too simple really. I mean honestly. Is this a character assessment forum? No, it is not. We are in the discussion section about Dumble amps. Please give me the link to your so called "character assessment" forum, and I will be MORE than happy to engage you there. Trust me, I will REALLY enjoy it!!!! For now however, if you cant stay on topic, please be so kind as to remove your person from this thread. Thanks guy! I am awaiting your link to the correct forum!

EDIT: This is the last personal attack I will respond to. I will just report them from now on.

[makrisp]

Tag,

I just want to say thanks for posting all the clips and videos.

[mdroberts1243]

Tag,

I just want to say thanks for posting all the clips and videos.

+1. This thread has really been really inspiring, although I had hoped to hear more bloom on the full chord in The Miller's Son intro you posted!

The theory about sag-induced bloom contrasted with low-volume playing has really thrown me however. I just can't rationalize how you'd be able to hear a strong effect without a large swing in the output section to get some sag.

Thanks for starting this one,

[bcook]

When you pull grid current, the cathode cap charges up, changing the bias point. As the cap discharges the gain of the tube returns to normal.

[Mr Dumble]

Tag,

I just want to say thanks for posting all the clips and videos.

+1. This thread has really been really inspiring, although I had hoped to hear more bloom on the full chord in The Miller's Son intro you posted!

The theory about sag-induced bloom contrasted with low-volume playing has really thrown me however. I just can't rationalize how you'd be able to hear a strong effect without a large swing in the output section to get some sag.

Thanks for starting this one,

Thanks Mak and MD. The clip in the very first post was recorded at not much louder than talking levels, so I would think the power section is not involved all that much. Tthis afternoon when the neighbors leave I will crank way up and see if the effect is any more prevalent.

[JD0x0]

Im having trouble with hearing this "note flipping" I can clearly hear bloom and feedback in the clips posted as well as my amp, but I still dont "get" the note flipping. Maybe im hearing it and im just so used to the Dumble tone that im looking past it. I know that MANY amps that arent Dstyle clones are definatly missing something to my ear.

[TheHandsomeOrk]

what is note-flipping if not bloom?
plenty of note-rolling in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPlURhoP ... re=related

although tag won't admitt to it.

[dogears]

Note flipping is bloom minus the highs. Pinner and I confirmed over my house. When we used the amp with no cables, no bright cap, she went into nice feedback and bloom. When we used the cables, it rolled and compressed the highs, what was left was a stranger bloom that had wierd artifacts...the flip thing.

Steve, care to chime in??

[mdroberts1243]

Note flipping is bloom minus the highs. Pinner and I confirmed over my house. When we used the amp with no cables, no bright cap, she went into nice feedback and bloom. When we used the cables, it rolled and compressed the highs, what was left was a stranger bloom that had wierd artifacts...the flip thing.

Steve, care to chime in??

Did you guys try to get the effect at different volume levels? Was it stronger with higher volume? Does it work at all at low volumes?

[vibratoking]

I don't understand what a 'stranger bloom without the highs' means. Any care to elaborate further or post a clip with a clearly identified example? I enjoy the clips that have been posted, but does it really take 50 notes to give an example? It means that many notes don't have the 'feature' that the poster is trying to highlight.

How about a clip with one note that is a good example of flipping and one note with bloom without feedback? Just a single note that leaves no questions about what the poster is describing.

The term bloom has a descriptive connotation that makes sense, at least to me. Flipping does not, at least in my mind.

[bluesy]

......I hear what you guy's are talking about. My bassman will do this on a rare occasion- usually when it's been cranked for a good long time. But it's not repeatable at will...try as i might. To me, it's that "vowel" sound--on the unwound strings the "flip" sounds one way; on the wound strings it is just way more "vowelly" sounding. Not that this helps, just a personal observation...
Thank you all for this highly informational (and somewhat entertaining) forum.
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Roor bong

[Structo]

I remember Norm saying that on his D'lite that after about a half hour of being on he could lower the volume output and it would still give the overtones.

But I think he was talking about harmonic overtones.

OK I found it.

This is what he posted a long time ago about it:

Be aware that his amp is most likely a 2 x 6V6 amp, so I am not sure how applicable this is.

OK, this is gonna sound like mojo BS, but here goes...

1. The amp MUST be fully warmed up, at least 20-30 minutes.
2. Set input volume at 2:00 (o'clock)
3. Set OD gain anywhere above 10:00
4. Engage PAB
5. Bring master volume up until the amp starts to feed back

Here's the strange part, once the amp begins to feed back, you can bring the master volume down pretty low and it will still get harmonic feedback. In fact, you can even bring down the gain levels. I have no idea why the amp will continue to get nice harmonics after being played at louder volumes, but it does!

BTW, a semi-hollowbody will feed back at lower volumes, especially if you get the distance and angle correct. If I sit about 3-4 feet from the amp with my Artcore AS-83 (Gibson Classic 57 pickups) and angle the guitar at 45 degrees from the amp, it will get feedback at conversation levels.