QUINN TKT183 6L6 ARRIVES

[talbany]

Max, Thanks for trying to help clarify his statement. It was a bit unclear.

FWIW, sound clips posted here on this forum are mostly solo oriented. That is ok, but I'd like to hear more rhythm and solo mixed sound clips, in order to help quantify an amps tone quality and capability for utility use at gigs.

You mean you do more than just solos at gigs?

Yeah, this is a quality that I hear in really good amps that I think is hard to replicate. When I hear Robben Ford live, I actually can't tell whether he's using PAB or not for his leads, or whether he's just goosed the gain enough to where he can roll off the volume knob on his guitar for rhythm parts. In either case, the rhythm parts sound good whether they're the semi-OD type or the heavy OD type. Always tight, never too much. Then to switch to lead and have it sing like that...very nice.

Bob-g
I am with both of you as well.. I think the Clean/PAB tones Robben gets from #102 are extraordinarily
For me the clean channel and PAB can be as equally challenging to voice as the OD side...

Tony

[dogears]

Tag, we had Brads TKT on top of the real 183 last month. It was not close. As much as I love Brad and you, the real 183 was head and shoulders more fun to play and better sounding. All in attendance agreed.

So, not sure about your comments.....

2 amps that can hang on even terms with any Dumble I have ever heard.

Hi Mr Dumble,

to avoid misunderstandings: What precisely do you mean by "can hang on even terms" in this context?

Cheers,

Max

Hi Max.

Sound as good as.

[dogears]

Btw, enjoyed the playing a lot! Your phrasing is getting more consistant and with great motific ideas..... Very nice.

[BobW]

Max, Thanks for trying to help clarify his statement. It was a bit unclear.

FWIW, sound clips posted here on this forum are mostly solo oriented. That is ok, but I'd like to hear more rhythm and solo mixed sound clips, in order to help quantify an amps tone quality and capability for utility use at gigs.

You mean you do more than just solos at gigs? :quote]

Yes, Exactly. Providing both (rhythm and solo samples) would give a better clue how the amp in question will handle during a live performance.

[Structo]

I thought we were done with Politician?

Hehehehe, but in reality, that is a pretty good clip to play since it demonstrates chords, single notes, and upper/ lower registers.

[greiswig]

I thought we were done with Politician?

Hehehehe, but in reality, that is a pretty good clip to play since it demonstrates chords, single notes, and upper/ lower registers.

Hee hee! Yeah, Politician's one of my guilty pleasures, and one of the songs we do at our gigs sometimes. But honestly, I don't consider that a "chording" song for the rhythm parts. The way I play it, the chords are basic power chords...I'm never playing more than two notes at a time even if I'm flatting the fifth.

A better RF example to me might be the live "Nothin' To Nobody" from Soul on Ten: not only does it have some fuller chords with a bit of dissonance to them, but there are some nice arpeggiations in there. And I'd still like to know of RF actually uses PAB, or just uses his volume control on the guitar, or what? His lead tone sounds like a more natural extension of the rest of the OD tone he has than what I get out of PAB.

[tubedogsmith]

He definately used to use PAB, you can see and hear him step on it in some of his older youtube shows. On a lot of the newer stuff it's certainly not as obvious if he is using it.

[Structo]

I notice the videos are usually not that great and don't focus on what he is doing so much as the whole venue.

That one German concert was pretty good.
I have never heard him live but I think that with his Telecaster and the reported volume he plays at, I'll bet it is very strong in treble and possibly ice pick city.

But since he rides his volume knob a lot and is basically such a good guitarist you can't really tell by listening what he is doing with the controls and amp, unless you happen to hear a switch pop or something that is.

[talbany]

On his live in Paris CD he uses it quite often..It's a very slight bump but he used it that night with his Tele ..

Tony

[Mr Dumble]

Sound as good as.

I see.

OK. I would really like to better understand what you are talking about in your posts here if you talk about "tone" and if you compare the tone of different amps. Perhaps let's start like this:

All the Dumble amps I know in person or from recordings IMO sound rather different - even those from the same "generation". No big surprise IMO as the tone of all or at least most of them has been customized by Alexander Dumble in the way his different customers like it best.

Because of this I'm not sure if I understand what exactly you want to say when you post "The TKT 183 6L6 sounds as good as all the Dumble amps I know"? What in detail do you mean by "sound as good"?

Please let me explain what I don't understand:

IMO, at least judged by the clip you've linked to here, your TKT 183 6L6 sounds rather different than the Dumbleland that SRV used for the recording of Texas Flood, or than one of David Lindley's two 1st generation ODS, or than the ODR of Rick Vito, or than the ODS #075 of Steve Farris, or than #102 of Robben Ford before its skyline update, or than the 4th generation ODS of Larry Carlton in its original "classic" setup – just to give you six different examples of Dumble amps that IMO sound rather different from one another and from your TKT 183 6L6.

So could you perhaps try to explain what exactly you mean if you write that you think that your TKT 183 6L6 does "sound as good as" the Texas Flood Dumbleland or the ODR of Rick Vito, or #102 in its original "classic" setup as used by Robben Ford for the TTYD recordings, or #075 as used by Steve Farris for countless studio recordings or the 4th generation "classic" ODS used by Larry Carlton for all his eighties recordings he did with a Dumble ODS?

Perhaps you could use some of the recordings done with these six different Dumble amps (some of them see below and better quality versions of some of these recordings will probably be a part of the CD/record collections of many members here) to explain in what way you think that your TKT 183 6L6 does "sounds as good as" the six Dumble amps that have been used to record these songs? In what details of the sound of TKT 183 6L6 and in what details of the sound of these six Dumble amps do you think that TKT 183 6L6 does "sound as good as" these six Dumble amps? To which details of the tone of the TKT 183 6L6 and to which details of the tones of these six Dumble amps do you refer to if you say they all "sound as good"?

Dumbleland 150W, Stevie Ray Vaughn
"Texas Flood" http://www.songarea.com/mc/2/stevie_ray_vaughan.html

1st generation ODS, David Lindley
Jackson Browne "Running On Empty" http://www.songarea.com/mc/2/jackson_browne.html (1st solo at around 2:00)

Transition generation "classic" ODS #075, Steve Farris
Eros Ramazotti "Cose Della Vita" http://www.songarea.com/mc/6/eros_ramazotti.html (some solo parts)
Mr. Mister "Is It Love" http://www.songarea.com/mc/3/mr_mister.html (solo at around 2:00)

Transition generation ODR #058, Rick Vito
Bob Seger "Like A Rock" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keIvA2wSPZc (solos at around 2:10 and 4:40)
Jackson Browne "Lawyers In Love" http://www.songarea.com/mc/9/jackson_browne.html

4th generation "classic" ODS #102, Robben Ford
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKGP6y5Anm4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQsayvE6_Pc (solo at around 3:00)

4th generation "classic" ODS, Larry Carlton
"Sleepwalk" http://www.songarea.com/mc/1/larry_carl ... _nite.html
"BB Blues" http://www.songarea.com/mc/4/larry_carlton.html

Cheers,

Max

Hey Max,
It can do any of those tones depending on the guitar and or speakers used. Piece of cake!! Big mistake is thinking that Dumble modified all his amps for each player. NOT TRUE!!! Some placers yes, many or most, no. #183 was voiced the way Howard Dumble wanted it to sound!! No one else. Maybe thats why it sounds so damn good, and can do so many different tones so easily. VERY GOOD!

[Mr Dumble]

Tag, we had Brads TKT on top of the real 183 last month. It was not close. As much as I love Brad and you, the real 183 was head and shoulders more fun to play and better sounding. All in attendance agreed.

So, not sure about your comments.....

Hi Mr Dumble,

to avoid misunderstandings: What precisely do you mean by "can hang on even terms" in this context?

Cheers,

Max

Hi Max.

Sound as good as.

Sorry Scott. The amps are dead on. I owned 183 for a year and know how to dial them in. Listen here, and this is when BRad had Chines tubes and the TKT had GEs. HUGE difference. They were dead on in the room. Listen for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jggkxsIiyKI

Now Brad has bad preamps tubes when you heard it, and they are similar to Telefunkens. NOTHING like the GEs in the Dumble which is the perfect tube, and which Dumble installed in it himself. Thats whats in my TKT, and no one is going to tell a difference blindfolded. Not chance. Actually, the Dumbles bottom farts out a little more, which is the only way to tell.
Shad NAILED it , and I would be the first to say otherwise. I have and had Brads permission to fly Shad back here and dial in both amps so they were dead on IF NEED BE. NO NEED!!!! He nailed it!!

[Mr Dumble]

Btw, enjoyed the playing a lot! Your phrasing is getting more consistant and with great motific ideas..... Very nice.

Appreciate that Scott. Practicing real hard. Thank you.

[Mr Dumble]

I thought we were done with Politician?

Hehehehe, but in reality, that is a pretty good clip to play since it demonstrates chords, single notes, and upper/ lower registers.

At least someone gets it! Lol! Sure I did ity to death. But it provided the perfect medium for comparing all the different amps with chords, double stops, bent notesm, and some actual copped Ford lines.

[Mr Dumble]

He definately used to use PAB, you can see and hear him step on it in some of his older youtube shows. On a lot of the newer stuff it's certainly not as obvious if he is using it.

In his prime years (At least to me, Blue line era) he used it a LOT of the time for solos.

[makrisp]

Tag,

Luv the 6L6 version. Just sounds that much thicker and a bit cleaner than the El-34 version.

Kudos to Shad!