Steve Farris ODS #075

[dogears]

Andy F had it at his shop for like 6 months! Must have been like 03 or so.

I've played Andy Brauer's Dumble #104 (I think 104) at length several times. It is a classic stack but with 220/150 plates. 4.7uf on all stages.

Nice amp. Did not bowl me over as being superior to any of the well built "clones".

Hmmm... I thought that amp had sold in eBay a long time ago, before you were "Dumble born," Scott.

Gil

[ayan]

Andy F had it at his shop for like 6 months! Must have been like 03 or so.

I've played Andy Brauer's Dumble #104 (I think 104) at length several times. It is a classic stack but with 220/150 plates. 4.7uf on all stages.

Nice amp. Did not bowl me over as being superior to any of the well built "clones".

Hmmm... I thought that amp had sold in eBay a long time ago, before you were "Dumble born," Scott.

Gil

Gotcha. According to my records, you were actually Dumble born in April 2003!

Cheers,

Gil

[talbany]

I hear Andy B also owned #21 which I believe is now owned by John Fogerty..

Dumble born in 77 when I heard Lindley on JB's live Running on Empty.. I just didn't know it then..14

Tony

[Structo]

Ditto!
I always loved Lindley's tone, I just didn't know what he did to get it.
It probably wasn't until 6 or 7 years ago that I started reading up on da Dumble amps and all things related to them.

And although there are certainly other decent amps, I personally have never played a more versatile amp, even though I have never knowingly heard one live, let alone played one other than my D'lite.
But thanks to this forum I've learned a lot and love playing through it.

[Max]

....superior....

Hi Scott,

there's no accountig for taste as taste is an all individual concept of perception. That's why I think it is true, that "Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder".

Every Paris will give the apple to some other "True Beauty". And I think this is just great - as otherwise our world would be a boring place.

My 2cents.

Cheers,

Max

[dogears]

Max, don't take me wrong. This amp was very nice. But, I did not find it to have that extra magic that some of the others I have had experience with possess.

For me, Robben's tan amp and the EL34 powered #183 are my faves. Followed in third by a nice HRM EL34 model a friend owns. Maybe part of the issue is that I am a bridge pup guy and the classic stack is not my taste.

....superior....

Hi Scott,

there's no accountig for taste as taste is an all individual concept of perception. That's why I think it is true, that "Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder".

Every Paris will give the apple to some other "True Beauty". And I think this is just great - as otherwise our world would be a boring place.

My 2cents.

Cheers,

Max

[FUCHSAUDIO]

Andy F had it at his shop for like 6 months! Must have been like 03 or so.

I've played Andy Brauer's Dumble #104 (I think 104) at length several times. It is a classic stack but with 220/150 plates. 4.7uf on all stages.

Nice amp. Did not bowl me over as being superior to any of the well built "clones".

Hmmm... I thought that amp had sold in eBay a long time ago, before you were "Dumble born," Scott.

Gil

It was indeed at the house for some time. It was a good vehicle for me (at the time) to compare my proto's and production amps against. It was saved from a technician/butcher in California who wanted to "do a complete recap job" to correct an oscillation problem at high gain. Turned out to be one bad filter cap !

Nice amp, but I agree with Scott, there were better ones made. Still better than the Tan Dumble...

I don't know if Andy owned it, or it was on loan, consignment, or he held it for the owner and made him money by renting it out, which was not an unusual practice for Brauer rentals at the time.

[Max]

Max, don't take me wrong. This amp was very nice. But, I did not find it to have that extra magic that some of the others I have had experience with possess.

For me, Robben's tan amp and the EL34 powered #183 are my faves. Followed in third by a nice HRM EL34 model a friend owns. Maybe part of the issue is that I am a bridge pup guy and the classic stack is not my taste.

Hi Scott,

Of course I completely understood, what you wanted to make clear. Just kiddin' a tiny little bit (and I would not miss the opportunity to prove, that I've learned some wise proverbs, too).

You're a great player and I dig your tone. I just wanted to point out, that I am very glad that Electric Ladyland or Sgt. Pepper have not been recorded with a Dumble or whatever else kind of ODS.

In this Alexander is right:

"When the air becomes electric, that's the right sound, no matter what the one is. It's that sound exiting the senses."

And your senses obviously are not that exited by these "classic" tones, and at this you pointed out. Of course I understood. So, sorry, that I wrote a bit teasingly.

Have fun with your Skyliners and EL34 stuff. I like these too.

All the best,

Max

[talbany]

Don't mind if I jump in here for a quick one..When I first fired up my 70's #13/40 it didn't exactly thrill me.. (compared to my Music man) I wasn't too hasty in changing things around right away and am glad I didn't..After spending some time recording (The amps strong point) and a few gigs and with the right guitar(Strats especially) my 70's is a wonderful amp and won't change a thing on it now..Lately I pick up the 70's just as fast as the MM and still go damn that sounds really good... Now my neighbors let me play a little louder longer..
I now have MAP.. Multiple amp personalties..Call Pfizer..
Tony

[David Root]

Tony, my 50W '70s ODS in the Princeton chassis sounds great now I found a dry joint in the loop ground. Sounds way better than my #124 100W in OD, and has no fizzing problems, no ODS snubbers or any other anti-parasitic band aids in it. I did use an 82K grid resistor on V1B instead of 56K like you used but I did use 56K on V2A and B.

I am guessing the old Bassman iron has a lot to do with it.

I am still fine tuning the FET input and have yet to try it with a slide and the Altecs. Also haven't checked out the OD footswitch operation yet. And I have to check the Deep switch wiring, I think I messed up as it does not seem to operate in either setting. I will be doing this over the long weekend coming up.

Have done a little tube rolling. I now have Amperex 7025s in V1 and V2, 183 Vp on V1, about 195 on V2 plates, and Mullard 12AT7s (CV4024) in the loop and the PI. PI is 292/292 on plates. (I cheated a bit by putting in a 5K trimmer which is not historically correct). Those Amperex seem to pull considerably more current than the RCA gray or black plates, when I changed V1 to the Amperex 7025 from an RCA blackplate 12AX7 the plates dropped a full 10 V.

Output tubes matched pair used RCA blackplates, relatively cold running examples 19 mA at 400V/-48V on my MaxiMatcher, set at 35 mA each cathode current, 443 Vp and about 0.5V less Vs.

[Max]

@ talbany and dogears:

Hi Scott, Hi Tony,

let me try to desribe the tone of the Farris amp in this way:

I am rather sure, that many of the fans of those "Lindley tones" would find settings that would exite them. And I am rather sure, that this would be similar in regard of many of the Skyliner and EL34 fans, too. This one is very special for my ears. No idea why this is the case. Perhaps this special speaker and cabinet and the special kind of impedance mismatch between the OT (Twin iron) and this EV has a role in it? I think, this one would perhaps be John Mayer's dream amp.

All the best,

Max

[ayan]

Dumble born in 77 when I heard Lindley on JB's live Running on Empty.. I just didn't know it then..14

Tony

Just to clarify: what I meant by Dumble-birth is the time when a person gained knowledge of the guts of an actual amp.

G.

[Mac Daddy]

[quote="dogears"]Max, don't take me wrong. This amp was very nice. But, I did not find it to have that extra magic that some of the others I have had experience with possess.

For me, Robben's tan amp and the EL34 powered #183 are my faves. Followed in third by a nice HRM EL34 model a friend owns. Maybe part of the issue is that I am a bridge pup guy and the classic stack is not my taste.


I would have to agree Scott
183 is a very special Amp

[IMG:800:450]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/ ... /41031.jpg[/img]
click on clip below is #183

http://www.scottlernermusic.com/dumble/ ... tLast2.mp3

[FUCHSAUDIO]

Yeah, but is it 50-K better than ? :

http://www.scottlernermusic.com/dumble/ ... tLast1.mp3

I think we're shaving gnat's balls at this point..

[Mac Daddy]

Yeah, but is it 50-K better than ? :

http://www.scottlernermusic.com/dumble/ ... tLast1.mp3

I think we're shaving gnat's balls at this point..

Andrew

I guess to answer that question you would have to play it

The right Dumble is an Icon to all the rest

Comparing a great one to a great clone ?
Well I haven't play or heard a clone that reaches Dumble status
But yes theirs some great clones out their , and just like a great vintage guitar being played side by side a clone , The original always stands above the clone

Don't get me wrong dollar for dollar the clones hold their own
But the original will always have its place in market for the ones that hear the difference and can pull the trigger