Steve Farris ODS #075

[Max]

And I would like to contribute to the list with two entries, in supreme order of relevance:

1. Larry Carlton -- arguably, on this board, but I believe he has historically been more influential on all things tone (in terms of sales of Gibson 335s, Mesa/Boogies and Dumbles)... at least until Scott signed on TGP.

2. Robben Ford -- probably the reason LC bought his Dumble.

Let's face it, there are other guitar heroes out there (Satriani, Scofield, etc.), some way more popular than our guys, but not many care about the equipment they use (granted, they are tone midgets IMNSHO), but LC and RF are in another league in this area. Let the hate come my way now.

Gil

I am not so sure if you are right:

In regard to guitar heros:

I think, that many guitar players care a lot more about the gear of popular guys like Eric Clapton or Carlos Santana. Satriani or Scofield are at least as unknown as LC and RF. As far as I know the Eric Clapton signature Stratocaster still sells better than any other custom shop signature strat.

I believe, that what really has brought Dumble amps into a more public awareness, is, that Carlos Santana began to use them.

BTW: What A perceives as a "tone midget" may be perceived as a tone giant by B. And I think, that neither A nor B should feel to be appointed to be the appropriate official judges of the international tone-court.

I think too, that we all should not act, talk or write "humble" in the sense of walking around all the day with a bowed neck. But perhaps we all should be a bit more cautious to judge the personal taste and way of live of others by our own personal taste?

Have a nice weekend,

Max

[CHIP]

The first time I heard about Dumble was the mention that Stevie Ray used them. Since his tone was unique, this caught my attention.

[Mac Daddy]

Here's another clip of #183 EL34's 100

http://www.scottlernermusic.com/dumble/ ... AtLast.mp3

[Structo]

This is just my opinion so take it for what it's worth.

While I respect your opinion Max, for me and countless others, it was the Robben Ford tone that captivated me.
I had never heard a tone like that let alone from a telecaster.

I didn't really know at the time that Larry Carlton played a Dumble but when I started looking into Robben's gear about 6 or 7 years ago I found out about the amp.

I always associated SVR with Fenders and it wasn't until later, actually after his passing that I read about the SSS that he used.
Oddly enough, he used Marshall's for his clean tone and the Fender and Tubescreamer for his leads.

None of this means anything to anybody except to the person that is making his own amp decision as to what he likes or wants in the tone department.

[talbany]

This is an interesting topic for sure..Over the years Iv'e sold quite a bit of amps here and abroad spent countless hours on the phone and e-mails with the general public and most out there never even heard of Dumble.. It's only after you drop a few names like SRV and Santana that the eyebrow goes up.. Most of the heavy's in Nashville are like Nah send me something Fendery..I will say however that for the few that I trust to send loaners too they never come back..By in large the mass populace are unaware!!...We are still somewhat in our own little growing world..

Half the people I talk with have even heard of Larry or Robben.. and half of them even know what amp they use..

Tony

[Structo]

I suppose it depends what kind of music you are into.
If you only listen to C/W then yeah, Robben is probably off the radar.

Back when people bought real records (LP's) I would go to the record store (yes they had stores that only sold vinyl) and browse around.
I liked to buy an album by an artist I had never heard of and I wound up with a pretty diverse collection.
I loved the art work and info in the jackets of the record.
Many times lyrics were included.

With the CD format, I just never got back into buying everything I had on vinyl.

Anyway, sorry for the derail.....

[Max]

...for me and countless others, it was the Robben Ford tone that captivated me.
I had never heard a tone like that let alone from a telecaster.

...

No wonder, as it is really difficult to get the Robben Ford kind of tone out of an other amp. And if someone would ask me to name a guitar player who's tone is a good example for the typical tone of a Dumble ODS, I would play a Robben Ford CD.

My opinion is too, that the tone of Robben or Larry (in the 80ies and 90ies up to perhaps Renegade Gentleman) is a more typical ODS "OD" tone than the one of Carlos Santana.

But I think, that Santana began to use Dumble amps, had a great impact on the "mainstream" part of the readers of magazines like "Guitar Player", "Guitar World" etc., as this happened only a short time after he won the "Supernatural" Grammy and had his mega-comeback.

And I think, that this has helped a lot to propell the awareness of Dumble amps in the world of guitar players out of an "insider" kind of community of some hardcore Dumble fans.

Next step IMHO was John Mayer, who has introduced the "Dumble" topic to a younger generation of guitar players and with more of a mainstream orientation too.

So I think, that Santana and Mayer did not start it all of course, but have played an important role in bringing up demand and prices to the current level.

This is at least my personal perception.

Cheers,

Max

[ampdork]

I blame a guy named Larry N. for my hang up. He brought my attention to Steve K around '90 or so.... been downhill ever since...

I know most people are into the blues or jazz vibe of these amps but for me it always makes me think of Bay Area psychedelia...

[ayan]

The context of my comment was in regards to what has made these amps so popular. As much as I love EC, and recongnize him as the most influential guitarist of our times -- all things considered and bar none -- I don't believe he could have possibly had anything to do with Dumbles' prices sky rocketing. The comparison between LC and RF was to highlight that although this board has a heavy presence in Robben's corner, LC has been helping sell equipment since the 70s. Now, I appreciate you appear to think Santana has been the greatest Dumble ambassador... end of thread for me.

Gil

I am not so sure if you are right:

In regard to guitar heros:

I think, that many guitar players care a lot more about the gear of popular guys like Eric Clapton or Carlos Santana. Satriani or Scofield are at least as unknown as LC and RF. As far as I know the Eric Clapton signature Stratocaster still sells better than any other custom shop signature strat.

I believe, that what really has brought Dumble amps into a more public awareness, is, that Carlos Santana began to use them.

BTW: What A perceives as a "tone midget" may be perceived as a tone giant by B. And I think, that neither A nor B should feel to be appointed to be the appropriate official judges of the international tone-court.

I think too, that we all should not act, talk or write "humble" in the sense of walking around all the day with a bowed neck. But perhaps we all should be a bit more cautious to judge the personal taste and way of live of others by our own personal taste?

Have a nice weekend,

Max

[Max]

Juergen

Thanks for the post.. Ferris amp has me intrigued.. I wonder what cuts Clapton and Knopfler used the amp on..Welcome to the real world.. Have it it!!

http://www.audities.org/audities/collec ... ive_a.html

http://aczemaitis.com/Scripts/vintage-g ... oduct=1968


Tony

Hi Tony,

do you know more about "The Audities Foundation", or was this just a chance find while looking for pictures of the Farris amp?

I ask, because I am always interested in all kind of collections of classical and/or electric/electronic musical instruments, that provide instruments from the collection to musicians in some kind of a patron of arts sponsorship context. Do you know, if The Audities Foundation manages this collection in such a spirit?

Have a great weekend,

Max

[Max]

The context of my comment was in regards to what has made these amps so popular. As much as I love EC, and recongnize him as the most influential guitarist of our times -- all things considered and bar none -- I don't believe he could have possibly had anything to do with Dumbles' prices sky rocketing. The comparison between LC and RF was to highlight that although this board has a heavy presence in Robben's corner, LC has been helping sell equipment since the 70s. Now, I appreciate you appear to think Santana has been the greatest Dumble ambassador... end of thread for me.

Gil

I am not so sure if you are right:

In regard to guitar heros:

I think, that many guitar players care a lot more about the gear of popular guys like Eric Clapton or Carlos Santana. Satriani or Scofield are at least as unknown as LC and RF. As far as I know the Eric Clapton signature Stratocaster still sells better than any other custom shop signature strat.

I believe, that what really has brought Dumble amps into a more public awareness, is, that Carlos Santana began to use them.

BTW: What A perceives as a "tone midget" may be perceived as a tone giant by B. And I think, that neither A nor B should feel to be appointed to be the appropriate official judges of the international tone-court.

I think too, that we all should not act, talk or write "humble" in the sense of walking around all the day with a bowed neck. But perhaps we all should be a bit more cautious to judge the personal taste and way of live of others by our own personal taste?

Have a nice weekend,

Max

Gil,

could you please point out, where in my post quoted by you I wrote, that:

- EC "could have possibly had anything to do with Dumbles' prices sky rocketing"?

or

- "Santana has been the greatest Dumble ambassador"?

Don't you think, that what I wrote in regard of what Santana IMHO had to do with Dumble prices was a bit more detailed than "greatest Dumble ambassador"?

And don't you think, it would be more helpful to invalidate my detailed arguments instead just to pour out your sarcasm ("Now, I appreciate you appear to think....")?

BTW:

The influence of Carlos Santana's and Larry Carlton's gear upon the wish list of guitar players you can find out by this:

Ask PRS how many "Santana" models they have sold, and ask Gibson, how many "Mr. 335" models they have sold.

Max

[talbany]

Juergen

Thanks for the post.. Ferris amp has me intrigued.. I wonder what cuts Clapton and Knopfler used the amp on..Welcome to the real world.. Have it it!!

http://www.audities.org/audities/collec ... ive_a.html

http://aczemaitis.com/Scripts/vintage-g ... oduct=1968


Tony

Hi Tony,

do you know more about "The Audities Foundation", or was this just a chance find while looking for pictures of the Farris amp?

I ask, because I am always interested in all kind of collections of classical and/or electric/electronic musical instruments, that provide instruments from the collection to musicians in some kind of a patron of arts sponsorship context. Do you know, if The Audities Foundation manages this collection in such a spirit?

Have a great weekend,

Max

Hey Max
Google search engine pointed me there Ferris Dumble!! I myself am also intrested in such organizations.... if I get some time to do more research on the foundation I will PM you with any cool info I find.. So far a good weekend.. Same back!!

Tony

[Max]

Juergen

Thanks for the post.. Ferris amp has me intrigued.. I wonder what cuts Clapton and Knopfler used the amp on..Welcome to the real world.. Have it it!!

http://www.audities.org/audities/collec ... ive_a.html

http://aczemaitis.com/Scripts/vintage-g ... oduct=1968


Tony

Hi Tony,

do you know more about "The Audities Foundation", or was this just a chance find while looking for pictures of the Farris amp?

I ask, because I am always interested in all kind of collections of classical and/or electric/electronic musical instruments, that provide instruments from the collection to musicians in some kind of a patron of arts sponsorship context. Do you know, if The Audities Foundation manages this collection in such a spirit?

Have a great weekend,

Max

Hey Max
Google search engine pointed me there Ferris Dumble!! I myself am also intrested in such organizations.... if I get some time to do more research on the foundation I will PM you with any cool info I find.. So far a good weekend.. Same back!!

Tony

Thank you for offering your support.

All the best,

Max

[ayan]

Max, my sole purpose was to allow for the possibility that your view and mine are very different on this matter. My intention was not to be sarcastic. If what I write rubs you the wrong way for whatever reason, that's unfortunate. However, I would like to invite you to try and take responsibility for your perceptions, as opposed to making statements of fact about my intentions. If that's not possible, so be it.

Gil

The context of my comment was in regards to what has made these amps so popular. As much as I love EC, and recongnize him as the most influential guitarist of our times -- all things considered and bar none -- I don't believe he could have possibly had anything to do with Dumbles' prices sky rocketing. The comparison between LC and RF was to highlight that although this board has a heavy presence in Robben's corner, LC has been helping sell equipment since the 70s. Now, I appreciate you appear to think Santana has been the greatest Dumble ambassador... end of thread for me.

Gil

I am not so sure if you are right:

In regard to guitar heros:

I think, that many guitar players care a lot more about the gear of popular guys like Eric Clapton or Carlos Santana. Satriani or Scofield are at least as unknown as LC and RF. As far as I know the Eric Clapton signature Stratocaster still sells better than any other custom shop signature strat.

I believe, that what really has brought Dumble amps into a more public awareness, is, that Carlos Santana began to use them.

BTW: What A perceives as a "tone midget" may be perceived as a tone giant by B. And I think, that neither A nor B should feel to be appointed to be the appropriate official judges of the international tone-court.

I think too, that we all should not act, talk or write "humble" in the sense of walking around all the day with a bowed neck. But perhaps we all should be a bit more cautious to judge the personal taste and way of live of others by our own personal taste?

Have a nice weekend,

Max

Gil,

could you please point out, where in my post quoted by you I wrote, that:

- EC "could have possibly had anything to do with Dumbles' prices sky rocketing"?

or

- "Santana has been the greatest Dumble ambassador"?

Don't you think, that what I wrote in regard of what Santana IMHO had to do with Dumble prices was a bit more detailed than "greatest Dumble ambassador"?

And don't you think, it would be more helpful to invalidate my detailed arguments instead just to pour out your sarcasm ("Now, I appreciate you appear to think....")?

BTW:

The influence of Carlos Santana's and Larry Carlton's gear upon the wish list of guitar players you can find out by this:

Ask PRS how many "Santana" models they have sold, and ask Gibson, how many "Mr. 335" models they have sold.

Max

[Max]

Max, my sole purpose was to allow for the possibility that your view and mine are very different on this matter. My intention was not to be sarcastic. If what I write rubs you the wrong way for whatever reason, that's unfortunate. However, I would like to invite you to try and take responsibility for your perceptions, as opposed to making statements of fact about my intentions. If that's not possible, so be it.

Gil

Gil,

as I hold you in high regard, I would like to better understand, why you think different. For me it seems to be so obvious, that the influence on the demand on the market for musical instruments, that the gear Santana uses has, is greater (Mesa, PRS), than the one of the gear Larry Carlton uses. Why do you think, that this is not the case?

All the best,

Max