There's a new Randall Smith in town

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Im really bad at finding the edit button..
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Nice, my grandfather too was a prolific inventor - both in telecom and then in agriculture after he was "force" retired at the age of 65. He ultimately had numerous agriculture patents ripped off too.
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Any of you guys old enough to remember Seinfeld? The responses defending the patent in this thread reminds me of the character "Jimmy".

Can't quite put my finger on it, but "The Jimmy" knows...
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John_P_WI wrote:Any of you guys old enough to remember Seinfeld? The responses defending the patent in this thread reminds me of the character "Jimmy".

Can't quite put my finger on it, but "Jimmy knows"...
Haha, I watch couple reruns a day! That master volume is kinda like Jimmy's shoes.
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How many patent applications are ultimately rejected? The answer is: few. The reasons: 1) they want your money; 2) they couldn't be bothered to research the technology.

Defense of a patent (or defense against patent infringement) is something different: lawyers, guns and money.
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John_P_WI wrote: It is nothing more than an attempt to "harvest" royalties from future users and a method to scratch an itchy ego.
I'm not sure it's as sinister as a money-grabbing opportunity. I suspect that J. Scott knows perfectly well that it is not an original idea, and I also imagine he has neither the money nor inclination to pursue it in court if it came to it. I think, as others have said, that he got a patent just to make him and his products sound clever to non-technical persons. I mean, who here wouldn't like to be able to tell friends around the dinner table "Yeah, I have a couple of patents. No biggie *smarm*", or print "proprietary patented technology" on their front panel! :lol: US patents (unlike other countries) are so cheap that you can afford to buy one just for the fun of it.
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According to the website, the hybrid master is patent-pending. The triangular speaker chamber is patented....and the first thing mentioned in product description.
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Rogue wrote:According to the website, the hybrid master is patent-pending. The triangular speaker chamber is patented....and the first thing mentioned in product description.
How to stack those triangle cabs? Can't wait to see what happens when they meet pro stage crews.

One advantage: you can't place your drinks on' em. Wow.
down technical blind alleys . . .
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There's a very clever guy, Don Lancaster, almost forgotten today but who for us old timers was (an still is) a Genius, a Guru, you name it, who is the personfication of the "Idea Man" if you ever saw one .... and he was heavily against Patents, so much so that he wrote a series of short books against them :shock:

Here's one: The case against Patents, short and to the point, a must read for anybody interested:

http://www.tinaja.com/glib/casagpat.pdf

just 2 short pages ;)

including pearls such as:
Fact–Your patent does not in any manner prevent others
from stealing or using your ideas.

Should you go patent something, anyone is totally free to
market your product, rip off all your ideas, or tell others
about your work.
And there is nothing immediate you can
do to stop this from happening.
All a patent does is give you the right to sue someone in
a civil action.
At some future date in a ridiculously costly,
extremely drawn out and easily circumvented legal process.
Nobody has ever "won" any patent litigation. The main
purpose of patent fights are to cause more grief and harm
to the opposition than you are causing yourself.
Almost
always, this purpose fails miserably.
if you want the full version (some 138 pages):
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/newpats.pdf <-- EDIT: this is the right link :(

not boring at all, and split into some 20 or 30 "booklets" , each fun and dedicated to one aspect of this problem, including Patent "horror stories" , as in guys earning a Ton bucks and then losing 10 Tons (so to speak) defending their Patents, or simply being ripped off blind, etc.

By the way, why do I speak so highly about Don Lancaster and call him the Idea Man?

Well, among a ton of other groundbreaking ideas, he was the man behind Personal Computers when there was none (he even published a Computer Terminal project so you coud have access to a room sized computer (there were none smaller) at home , pushed for everybody to use then nerd only Postscript Language (ever heard of .PDF and Adobe Acrobat?) ... in 1990 he was talking touchscreens and Led screens, always 20/25 years ahead of current technology.

And yet he wrote""ideas are a dime a dozen"

https://www.google.com.ar/search?num=20 ... SmXxoI-SPY

or plain google "Don Lancaster" in your browser.
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Rogue wrote:According to the website, the hybrid master is patent-pending. The triangular speaker chamber is patented....and the first thing mentioned in product description.
I call dibs on getting a patent for triangular speakers to fit in the triangular boxes!
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I met a guy once, an Edison protégé (he was the kid you see in some early Edison lab photos) who made his name with some scary things he did for DOD and DARPA, but along the way, he got a patent for something involving electron scanning devices and it was written so broadly it could be construed to cover every CRT ever produced. I don't know if got royalties from that. He was in his 80s when I met him and he still had an office in the Pentagon. Worked on the Manhattan project, too.
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JMFahey wrote:Here's one: The case against Patents, short and to the point, a must read for anybody interested:

http://www.tinaja.com/glib/casagpat.pdf

just 2 short pages ;)

including pearls such as:
Fact–Your patent does not in any manner prevent others
from stealing or using your ideas.

Should you go patent something, anyone is totally free to
market your product, rip off all your ideas, or tell others
about your work.
And there is nothing immediate you can
do to stop this from happening.
All a patent does is give you the right to sue someone in
a civil action.
At some future date in a ridiculously costly,
extremely drawn out and easily circumvented legal process.
Nobody has ever "won" any patent litigation. The main
purpose of patent fights are to cause more grief and harm
to the opposition than you are causing yourself.
Almost
always, this purpose fails miserably.
.
Well I can tell right now that is false. I watch a lot of Shark Tank. Lots of companies win lawsuits for patent infringement. What about that 15 million dollar Nintendo 3d stereoscopic 3D lawsuit?
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Re: There's a new Randall Smith in town

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Since were on the topic of patents what about Blackstars ISF tone circuit. The search of blackstar ht 5 should show up. It woks the way it says, shifts the mids from an American to Brit type frequency. Between resistors pots and caps it uses 12 components and a dual pot so its complex. Whats you thoughts on this? Is it common sweep and really nothing unique? It funny as Bugera released a clone including the patent!

What about DZs Carmon Gia tone control he claims he invented it after reading a post on here. Someone said Matchless designed it and he wanted to clarify it, and I think he mentioned it wasn't worth the time or what not to patent it. So whats you view on that? Its unique and builders probably would not have started using it because they did not know of it. What if Z DID patent it 20 years ago. Do you think folks would say "you cant patent that" After all he did design a original tone circuit correct?
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"Jimmy", let's not employ distraction tactics of questioning other manufacturers. You seem to know the workings of many different disciplines. Please enlighten us to the "marketing" of an amp with a scratchy dual gangbanger MV. Anyone with your worldly knowledge would certainly know that dc on a pot in this position is prone to scratch and rumble. Maybe it is suggested that your customers have the amp off when adjusting?

By the way, there are at least half a dozen ways to accomplish this type of MV without having dc on the pot. Rest assured, I will not tell - as this world does not need another "claim" to be added to this useless applied patent.
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