Another 5F1-ish build with hum

General discussion area for tube amps.

Moderators: pompeiisneaks, Colossal

TheGimp
Posts: 195
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:19 pm

Re: Another 5F1-ish build with hum

Post by TheGimp »

I used SS rectification and a 390R resistor from the two diodes to the first cap. Although I may just remove the resistor since the SE is class A only and there will be no sag at all.

I used a Hammond 13.5" X 5" X 2" chassis. I messed up on the board as the tubes are on the opposite side from the original 5F1. :oops: So I had to pull some components like the cathode bypass cap, and remount them. I left the PS caps as is.

If I were doing it over, I'd reverse all components on the board from the original layout.
orrong65
Posts: 44
Joined: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:13 pm
Location: Australia

Re: Another 5F1-ish build with hum

Post by orrong65 »

Its always intrigued me why the Princeton Reverb AA1164 used the center tap to ground and the two 100Ω resistors to earth off the heater legs.

One thing I did do was to make sure all the pre-amp heater wires were correctly phased. My AA1164 is dead quiet
Its all about the tone!
Randy Magee
Posts: 222
Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:05 pm
Location: Leland, MS

Re: Another 5F1-ish build with hum

Post by Randy Magee »

It's the phase on the power tube filaments that matters since they are essentially humbucking when properly phased... since the preamps tube filaments aren't running in a push pull fashion, phase doesn't really matter there... that being said, I've always tried to wire them in phase anyway...
Randy Magee
orrong65
Posts: 44
Joined: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:13 pm
Location: Australia

Re: Another 5F1-ish build with hum

Post by orrong65 »

It's the phase on the power tube filaments that matters since they are essentially humbucking when properly phased... since the preamps tube filaments aren't running in a push pull fashion, phase doesn't really matter there... that being said, I've always tried to wire them in phase anyway...
So are you saying for a pair of push-pull power tubes the heater connections should be opposite, whereas for the pre-amp tubes it really doesnt matter?
Its all about the tone!
User avatar
rp
Posts: 2528
Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:21 am
Location: Italy

Re: Another 5F1-ish build with hum

Post by rp »

I do this only because I read it here: http://www.unclespot.com/FenderBF.html and I believe everything I read on the web.

... I also check the heater wiring at this point - yep, it’s important! Have you ever had an amp that hummed or buzzed, and everything ‘seemed’ correct? I’ve found early on that the heater wiring HAS TO BE ‘uniform’; one leg going to pin 7 on ALL the power tubes then on to pin 9 on ALL the preamp tubes. On the other leg, going to pin 2 of ALL the power tubes, and pins 4&5 on ALL the preamp tubes. THIS, I found, will help dramatically with hum and buzz in a Fender amp (since we’re talking about Fender amps here...
Randy Magee
Posts: 222
Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:05 pm
Location: Leland, MS

Re: Another 5F1-ish build with hum

Post by Randy Magee »

orrong65 wrote:
It's the phase on the power tube filaments that matters since they are essentially humbucking when properly phased... since the preamps tube filaments aren't running in a push pull fashion, phase doesn't really matter there... that being said, I've always tried to wire them in phase anyway...
So are you saying for a pair of push-pull power tubes the heater connections should be opposite, whereas for the pre-amp tubes it really doesnt matter?
I wire all my filaments the same... the preamps actually don't matter but on the power tubes wire pin 2 from one tube to pin 2 of the next and similarly on the wire for pin 7... otherwise hum can be injected into the circuit
Randy Magee
Post Reply