"Presonance" Control Mod
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Re: "Presonance" Control Mod
Awesome. Thanks so much for the quick response. So both C1 and C2 are going to be .1uf? Not .05+.05 in order to equal .1?
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Re: "Presonance" Control Mod
No, 0.1uF total goes with a ~5k tail. Together these set the low frequency break point on the presence end.
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Re: "Presonance" Control Mod
Terrific! Thanks!
Re: "Presonance" Control Mod
I may or may not have a silly question about the "Martinizer"... I'm wondering if it could be integrated into a "Hi-Fi" application? Attached is a schematic for an amp I'm trying to optimize for listening. Integrated amp? Line level power amp?
As is, it sounds rather sweet and nice. But, trying to include this circuit may prove difficult, or even impossible. Possibly, not even playing the right ball game here... See, this amp has the paraphase inverter, and the NFB loop connects to the cathode of the gain stage, not the PI (PPI) like we normally see. The secondary on the OT has a wire I just discovered, it went to the "umbilical" to the tone generator/oscillator tubes. I'll have to research that...
No joy on finding this schematic anywhere. Conn Caprice Model 430.
Reasoning behind wanting to use this circuit in the amp, is in leu of a tone control, necessitating another gain stage to push it through. Any thoughts? As always, thanks!
Ps, feel free to comment on the overall schematic as well as far as making it "better" for listening to devices such as CD player, MP3 player *gasp!*, a phono preamplifier, etc.
As is, it sounds rather sweet and nice. But, trying to include this circuit may prove difficult, or even impossible. Possibly, not even playing the right ball game here... See, this amp has the paraphase inverter, and the NFB loop connects to the cathode of the gain stage, not the PI (PPI) like we normally see. The secondary on the OT has a wire I just discovered, it went to the "umbilical" to the tone generator/oscillator tubes. I'll have to research that...
No joy on finding this schematic anywhere. Conn Caprice Model 430.
Reasoning behind wanting to use this circuit in the amp, is in leu of a tone control, necessitating another gain stage to push it through. Any thoughts? As always, thanks!
Ps, feel free to comment on the overall schematic as well as far as making it "better" for listening to devices such as CD player, MP3 player *gasp!*, a phono preamplifier, etc.
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Re: "Presonance" Control Mod
I have a question about this.
I built the Xits 10 (sure looks like an AC15) from the TAG schem.
The amp sounded OK...but I added NFB on a switch. Values are 1k FB resistor and a 47 Ohm from the PI to ground.....like a BF Fender I guess.
There is no Presence Control on this amp of course.
Would I just use Martins schem as is, and insert R2 in place of the 100 Ohm resistor that is part of the PI/NFB in this AA864.?
I am wondering about the ratios to use.
My AC15 has a 1k NFB resistor, and a 47 Ohm to ground.
I am wondering about (getting rid of the 47) and then the 1k and 4k7 (takes place of the 5k presence pot that I do not have) to ground.
Thank You
I built the Xits 10 (sure looks like an AC15) from the TAG schem.
The amp sounded OK...but I added NFB on a switch. Values are 1k FB resistor and a 47 Ohm from the PI to ground.....like a BF Fender I guess.
There is no Presence Control on this amp of course.
Would I just use Martins schem as is, and insert R2 in place of the 100 Ohm resistor that is part of the PI/NFB in this AA864.?
I am wondering about the ratios to use.
My AC15 has a 1k NFB resistor, and a 47 Ohm to ground.
I am wondering about (getting rid of the 47) and then the 1k and 4k7 (takes place of the 5k presence pot that I do not have) to ground.
Thank You
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWXulD-gxuw @ 1:40
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Re: "Presonance" Control Mod
Hi ,
I,m building jtm45 now.Is Presonance controlMod useful on this amp ?
thanks
gsb
I,m building jtm45 now.Is Presonance controlMod useful on this amp ?
thanks
gsb
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Re: "Presonance" Control Mod
It has worked very well on Marshall circuits, so I assume so. Beware of possible oscillations though.
Re: "Presonance" Control Mod
Hi Martin,
thanks for sharing this schematic, is it an evolution of the presence control of the Kitty Hawk Quattro preamp?
It is from that one that the idea started?
Thanks!
Roberto
thanks for sharing this schematic, is it an evolution of the presence control of the Kitty Hawk Quattro preamp?
It is from that one that the idea started?
Thanks!
Roberto
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Re: "Presonance" Control Mod
Hi Roberto, this was my own idea, which came from combining presence and resonance circuits.
Re: "Presonance" Control Mod
Thanks Martin,
they are both great controls.
You had a very good idea and thanks for sharing it!
they are both great controls.
You had a very good idea and thanks for sharing it!
Re: "Presonance" Control Mod
Hi Martin,
I was looking at this Presonance mod wrt the SDM-version of a 2550 Silver Jubilee I'm looking at.
SDM 2550 SCHEMATIC: The SDM Jube PI schematic does not show a R-tail resistor in addition to the 10K because it implements the more classic 5KL/.1uF presence control instead of the 4K7/22KL/.1uF control. I saw the formula you presented based on that tail resistor value. If there isn't one, how would you approach this mod? Thanks as always.
I was looking at this Presonance mod wrt the SDM-version of a 2550 Silver Jubilee I'm looking at.
SDM 2550 SCHEMATIC: The SDM Jube PI schematic does not show a R-tail resistor in addition to the 10K because it implements the more classic 5KL/.1uF presence control instead of the 4K7/22KL/.1uF control. I saw the formula you presented based on that tail resistor value. If there isn't one, how would you approach this mod? Thanks as always.
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Just plug it in, man.
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Re: "Presonance" Control Mod
I would try the configuration shown on pg. 2 of the .pdf, first post.