Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Express, Liverpool, Rocket, Dirty Little Monster, etc.

Moderators: pompeiisneaks, Colossal

User avatar
fugezii
Posts: 27
Joined: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:50 am

Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by fugezii »

For the noise problem can't be solved, I rebuilt one.and I checked the layout 3 times with highlighter. can't connection errors were found. The voltage data was measured and only V2 Pin1 appeared to be slightly above normal. Connected to the guitar, the volume at 12 o'clock can hear a faint sound. Like fuzz! Is it a problem with any damaged tube or potentiometer?
who can save me, is about to collapse!


Image
User avatar
martin manning
Posts: 13362
Joined: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:43 am
Location: 39°06' N 84°30' W

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by martin manning »

What are pin 3 voltages on V1a and V2a? Looks like V2a has a problem though... bad solder joint, wrong value resistor, bad tube or socket connection, etc.
pdf64
Posts: 2719
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:23 pm
Location: Staffordshire, UK

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by pdf64 »

What happens to the V2 plate voltage if its grid leak resistor is shorted out (linked to 0V common)?
wpaulvogel
Posts: 436
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:11 am
Location: Leesburg Georgia
Contact:

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by wpaulvogel »

Probably nothing to the plate voltage, but it won’t amplify signal because signal is shunted to ground. What is your cathode voltage on V2?
User avatar
fugezii
Posts: 27
Joined: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:50 am

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by fugezii »

wpaulvogel wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:58 pm Probably nothing to the plate voltage, but it won’t amplify signal because signal is shunted to ground. What is your cathode voltage on V2?
martin manning wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:59 am What are pin 3 voltages on V1a and V2a? Looks like V2a has a problem though... bad solder joint, wrong value resistor, bad tube or socket connection, etc.
pdf64 wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:18 pm What happens to the V2 plate voltage if its grid leak resistor is shorted out (linked to 0V common)?
Hi, guys
Sorry for the late reply. I measured them again today. As you can see, the voltage on V2 PIN3 is also abnormal, it is much higher.


Image
User avatar
martin manning
Posts: 13362
Joined: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:43 am
Location: 39°06' N 84°30' W

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by martin manning »

Same diagnosis. There is no current flowing through V2a. Note that the plate voltage is the same as the supply voltage.
User avatar
fugezii
Posts: 27
Joined: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:50 am

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by fugezii »

martin manning wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:09 am Same diagnosis. There is no current flowing through V2a. Note that the plate voltage is the same as the supply voltage.
I see! Now I think it is 100k resistance damage or poor contact, I will try to replace it and feedback the result, thank you so much!
pdf64
Posts: 2719
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:23 pm
Location: Staffordshire, UK

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by pdf64 »

If there's no current flowing through V2a, how can there be cathode voltage, nevermind that it's somewhat high?
Perhaps the 100k plate resistor is wonky, eg really 100 ohms?
wpaulvogel
Posts: 436
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:11 am
Location: Leesburg Georgia
Contact:

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by wpaulvogel »

What is the cathode voltage on v2. If there is some picture or image it won’t open. All I see is a little box with “image “ inside.
wpaulvogel
Posts: 436
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:11 am
Location: Leesburg Georgia
Contact:

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by wpaulvogel »

if the cathode is "open circuit" the voltages will be supply at the plate and somewhat lower at the cathode.
User avatar
fugezii
Posts: 27
Joined: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:50 am

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by fugezii »

wpaulvogel wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:25 pm What is the cathode voltage on v2. If there is some picture or image it won’t open. All I see is a little box with “image “ inside.
V2 pin3 gets 5.6v
wpaulvogel
Posts: 436
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:11 am
Location: Leesburg Georgia
Contact:

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by wpaulvogel »

Well with that voltage you are in cutoff. Are you 100% sure that you have a 10k resistor on pin 3? You should have about 2.8-3 volts.
User avatar
fugezii
Posts: 27
Joined: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:50 am

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by fugezii »

pdf64 wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:34 pm If there's no current flowing through V2a, how can there be cathode voltage, nevermind that it's somewhat high?
Perhaps the 100k plate resistor is wonky, eg really 100 ohms?
wpaulvogel wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:04 am Well with that voltage you are in cutoff. Are you 100% sure that you have a 10k resistor on pin 3? You should have about 2.8-3 volts.
Hey guys! It get work!
I changed 150K, 10K, 100K; 0.0022UF & 0.1UF (measurement is not damaged)
and the 10K grounding part was re-welded,
Now everything is normal .
V2 pin1= 275v; pin3= 2.8v
Maybe it’s god damn 10k grounding problem!
Thanks for everyone's help. This frees me from the pain. You are great!
User avatar
fugezii
Posts: 27
Joined: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:50 am

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by fugezii »

pdf64 wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:34 pm If there's no current flowing through V2a, how can there be cathode voltage, nevermind that it's somewhat high?
Perhaps the 100k plate resistor is wonky, eg really 100 ohms?
wpaulvogel wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:04 am Well with that voltage you are in cutoff. Are you 100% sure that you have a 10k resistor on pin 3? You should have about 2.8-3 volts.
Hey guys! It get work!
I changed 150K, 10K, 100K; 0.0022UF & 0.1UF (measurement is not damaged)
and the 10K grounding part was re-welded,
Now everything is normal .
V2 pin1= 275v; pin3= 2.8v
Maybe it’s god damn 10k grounding problem!
Thanks for everyone's help. This frees me from the pain. You are great!
wpaulvogel
Posts: 436
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:11 am
Location: Leesburg Georgia
Contact:

Re: Why does my express sound like FUZZ?

Post by wpaulvogel »

I’m guessing that it screams now! I love these amps.
Post Reply