The 2204 is down.

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The 2204 is down.

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So I decided to crank my 2204 build in defiance of the elements of the day (master volume around 7-8) and, after a decently long high gain performance, it stopped working. I pulled the chassis and put it on the bench and found the following:

No obvious carnage
No blown fuses
Powers on normally.
PT secondary: 350 V per side
Bias supply voltage: -50 V
Heater supply: 6.3 VAC
Preamp turrets: no voltage
Tubes: no red plates, all lit
Filter caps: voltage on one, no voltage on the other
No sound.

Diagnosis: Blown filter cap?
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HT choke / dropper resistor / standby switch failed open circuit?
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Thanks for the suggestions. I'll check it out. How do you diagnose a choke failure?
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ViperDoc wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 1:03 am Thanks for the suggestions. I'll check it out. How do you diagnose a choke failure?
Measure DC resistance.
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most probably first resistor after the choke open,just check voltage on screen and PI supply,maybe a broken soldering
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Here's the final layout that I used to build this amp, many thanks to Martin.

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The PT is fully functional. The first filter cap is fully charged up. That cap goes to the HT fuse which is fully functional--I tested it through the holder and outside the holder and I get connectivity. Then it heads to and out of the choke to the second filter cap which has NO VOLTAGE on it. There is also no voltage on the pins 4 or 6 on the power tubes. Also, when I turn the amp off, the first filter cap holds a full 450 V until I drain it, which it didn't used to do.

Is this a nuked choke?
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Seems to be the case. Disconnect the choke leads and check DC resistance.
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Choke leads disconnected and there's resistance. Dead choke.

Here's the one in the amp: https://www.mojotone.com/transformers/B ... -CHOKE.pdf

If I need a beefier one, how would I spec that? I mean, turning up the master to 8 should be an option, yes? :oops:

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ViperDoc wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 5:04 pm Choke leads disconnected and there's resistance. Dead choke.
You should measure 106Ω between the choke leads. If so, the choke is not your problem.
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sluckey wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 5:09 pm
ViperDoc wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 5:04 pm Choke leads disconnected and there's resistance. Dead choke.
You should measure 106Ω between the choke leads. If so, the choke is not your problem.
Thanks, Sluckey. WELL, I have 109.2 Ω between the choke leads. That means I have continuity.

If the choke is fine, why would I have no voltage on the second filter cap and no voltage on pin 6 of either power tube? The lead out of the choke into the power tubes is continuous.
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ViperDoc wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 5:28 pm
sluckey wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 5:09 pm
ViperDoc wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 5:04 pm Choke leads disconnected and there's resistance. Dead choke.
You should measure 106Ω between the choke leads. If so, the choke is not your problem.
Thanks, Sluckey. WELL, I have 109.2 Ω between the choke leads. That means I have continuity.

If the choke is fine, why would I have no voltage on the second filter cap and no voltage on pin 6 of either power tube? The lead out of the choke into the power tubes is continuous.
just check the wiring from the choke to the screens, including the screens filter cap
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Standby switch works.
Wire between choke and power tube screens is good.
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check where the voltages seem to 'disappear' if that's on the other side of the choke, look for a loose wire that's touching ground or even just with the amp off, test for continuity to earth along the entire power rail and see if you find a spot where it goes to near 0 etc. I've found an accidental ground where I got a wire under a standoff and crushed it to ground heh.

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Hook the choke up, turn it on and check your DC string from the rectifier on. It could be a faulty switch.
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I checked the switch and it works fine. I disconnected the second filter cap and both sides measure 54 uF. I’ll hook it back up tonight and take another look.
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