Steve Farris ODS #075

[nix]

Not that this proves anything, but scan down about half way to the article from Guitar Player Magazine:
http://www.andybrauer.com/hits.html

I have no dog in this, just looking to keep the info disseminated here accurate. Nice forum...long-time lurker, 4th or 5th time poster. I'm more of a player than a tech, so I don't know how much I can contribute that others haven't already. I do have very discriminating ears and I do dabble with amps for use on the job. Thanks for any info gleaned.

[dogears]

And a hell of a great one at that!!!!

Nice forum...long-time lurker, 4th or 5th time poster. I'm more of a player than a tech, so I don't know how much I can contribute that others haven't already. I do have very discriminating ears and I do dabble with amps for use on the job. Thanks for any info gleaned.

[Max]

Not that this proves anything, but scan down about half way to the article from Guitar Player Magazine:
http://www.andybrauer.com/hits.html

I have no dog in this, just looking to keep the info disseminated here accurate. Nice forum...long-time lurker, 4th or 5th time poster. I'm more of a player than a tech, so I don't know how much I can contribute that others haven't already. I do have very discriminating ears and I do dabble with amps for use on the job. Thanks for any info gleaned.

nix,

thanks fo the article. Andy is a great guy indeed, and a very trustworthy source too, especially in regard to all the L.A. recordings he was involved in.

And we all know, that at least 100% of all the "news" are "confirmed" rumours, but of course all the rest is the truth - the Rashomon effect.

Scott has already thrown a stone into the lake, so let's just wait and see what the ripples will tell us. Thanks, Scott, for asking EVH. While we all wait for Eddie's first hand report, we could perhaps listen a bit longer to Luke's Dumble:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnbVWi5BAUI

A nice day to all here,

Max

[nix]

And a hell of a great one at that!!!!

Nice forum...long-time lurker, 4th or 5th time poster. I'm more of a player than a tech, so I don't know how much I can contribute that others haven't already. I do have very discriminating ears and I do dabble with amps for use on the job. Thanks for any info gleaned.

Flattery will get you everywhere with me! Particularly from a 'playa' such as yourself.

[Max]

Max,

The RF clip you provided was good but I do like Doug's clips better. It's a rather hard comparison because of their different playing styles but to me Doug's clips seem to have more sing to them and obviously more crunch.

I really like the clean tone as well, it sounds very much like my twin reverb, but my twin definitely can't scream like that.

tubelovin,

in the meantime I’ve talked to a friend, who did play both variants of the "classic" amps too, and from what he could recall, he thinks just like Tony (talbany), that the ODS in the Doug Doppler videos is most probably a "low plate classic". And after digging a bit deeper in my own memories and listening again to some recordings and clips, I believe too, that Tony is right: It is most probably a 4th generation 100W "low plate classic" ODS.

As Tony, Jelle, odourboy and others posted in this thread, there seem to be technical reasons, why it will be easier to get the special kind of OD and clean tone and response of the amp in the Doug Doppler videos, that you obviously liked best ("…more sing …more crunch [and] scream"), with the "low plate" variant of the "classic" ODS.

And as maybe other members here, like CHIP e.g., have a similar taste, it would perhaps be worth the time and trouble, if some of the members here with a deeper technical knowledge could help and review this schematic:

http://ampgarage.com/forum/files/124_sc ... 84_208.pdf

posted here:

http://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=55006#55006

to figure out, if it is "correct" for a "low plate classic" ODS, and if perhaps some of the values in brackets could be confirmed in a way, that the members here could use this schematic for building a "low plate classic" clone with as much confidence, as they now use the #124 "skyline" schematic and revised (thanks, Tony!) "skyline" layout to build a "low plate skyline" clone?

And perhaps someone could even help with a layout of #124 still with its "original" (as near as possible by a "best guess approach") "low plate classic" specs?

What parts have been changed by the "skyline" update of #124 could perhaps be discerned by looking for traces of the black "goop", that obviously has been originally used in #124 to cover its "classic" preamp and from the specs (other manufacturers, manufacturing periods, manufacturing materials, production methods, etc.?) and date codes of the parts?

These pictures of #093:

http://ampgarage.com/forum/download/file.php?id=12954

http://ampgarage.com/forum/download/file.php?id=12955

Tony (talbany) has posted and commented here:

http://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 297#127297

and the picture of #094 and the schematics of #094 and #123 posted and discussed in this thread:

http://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5874&start=0

could perhaps be useful too for a revision (and according layout?) of the "1984 [low plate classic] schematic" of #124?

Cheers,

Max

[dogears]

Straight from Eddie.

His main old Marshall Plexi Superlead!!! Plus he had a good laugh over the hearsay that never ends!!!!

Hope this helps.

[Max]

Straight from Eddie.

His main old Marshall Plexi Superlead!!! Plus he had a good laugh over the hearsay that never ends!!!!

Hope this helps.

Thanks, Scott,

great that you asked. LOL.

"In the interest of Accurate information, Here is the breakdown:

the First Evolution:

The early Silver Chassis amps are responsible for the David Lindley tones with Jackson Browne, and El Ray-o X, Lowell george with Little Feat and solo, Early Steve Farris(mr. Mister) and Steve Lukather's Solo on "Roseanna", his Rythm Track on Michael Jackson's Beat-it, and EVH's Solo on Beat-it. ..."

source: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... ost6669663

Brandon and nix will laugh too, I think.

BTW: In regard to "hearsay":

As we can read in this article, nix has linked to above (thanks again!), Andy Brauer's "ODS for rent" was a 50W: "The Howard Dumble Overdrive 50 was my ticket to success in the studios".

Andy Fuchs remembers a 100W skyline, and in the #17X range, as he posted in this thread.

You obviously remember in regard to the very same amp a classic in the #10X range.

And I just have found an old piece of paper, where someone has noted a second generation "silverface" 50W combo in the #02X range as beeing "Andy Brauer's ODS for rent".

Perhaps he had all three for rent?! As we can read in this article, the demand for three obvioulsly would not have been the problem. LOL!

Reminds me of all the stories about "Who designed the Les Paul?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_effect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCZ9TguVOIA

Have a nice day and all the best,

Max

[nix]

Straight from Eddie.

His main old Marshall Plexi Superlead!!! Plus he had a good laugh over the hearsay that never ends!!!!

Hope this helps.

Outstanding, Scott! Too funny.

Did I mention that I ghosted all of the solos on 'The Dark Side Of The Moon'? I'm claiming it and you're reading it, so it must be true....

[talbany]

to figure out, if it is "correct" for a "low plate classic" ODS, and if perhaps some of the values in brackets could be confirmed in a way, that the members here could use this schematic for building a "low plate classic" clone with as much confidence, as they now use the #124 "skyline" schematic and revised (thanks, Tony!) "skyline" layout to build a "low plate skyline" clone?

Max/Everyone

Since I am the only one with the original Visio of 124 (and 124 was originally a Classic) as it would no doubt be easiest to just modify it.. I will be more than happy to do so..Unfortunately my time does not allow me to do both schematic and layout if someone wants to take on the roll that would fine and well appreciated I am sure.. I'll go back and collect some of the data posted here by Max and others, dig through some schematics and pics I have and see if I can come up with an accurate version of the classic stack and modify the layout..Of coarse the more info I have to cross reference the better.. If someone here wishes to participate and or help with the validity you can hit my PM button (or post)..If the info you send ends up being used on the final draft I will be more than happy to add you as a contributor..If you do have info and wish to be anonymous just let me know the buck stops here..Either way it would be cool to have one..Looking forward to it..
The layout will of coarse be labeled property of The Amp Garage!!

Thanks for your support!!
You can also email me.. talbany@vvtamps.com


Tony

[Zippy]

Did I mention that I ghosted all of the solos on 'The Dark Side Of The Moon'? I'm claiming it and you're reading it, so it must be true....

Hey Chris,

I was just listening to your band's myspace - excellent!

Did you back up Return to Forever as well???

[Max]

to figure out, if it is "correct" for a "low plate classic" ODS, and if perhaps some of the values in brackets could be confirmed in a way, that the members here could use this schematic for building a "low plate classic" clone with as much confidence, as they now use the #124 "skyline" schematic and revised (thanks, Tony!) "skyline" layout to build a "low plate skyline" clone?

Max/Everyone

Since I am the only one with the original Visio of 124 (and 124 was originally a Classic) as it would no doubt be easiest to just modify it.. I will be more than happy to do so..Unfortunately my time does not allow me to do both schematic and layout if someone wants to take on the roll that would fine and well appreciated I am sure.. I'll go back and collect some of the data posted here by Max and others, dig through some schematics and pics I have and see if I can come up with an accurate version of the classic stack and modify the layout..Of coarse the more info I have to cross reference the better.. If someone here wishes to participate and or help with the validity you can hit my PM button (or post)..If the info you send ends up being used on the final draft I will be more than happy to add you as a contributor..If you do have info and wish to be anonymous just let me know the buck stops here..Either way it would be cool to have one..Looking forward to it..
The layout will of coarse be labeled property of The Amp Garage!!

Thanks for your support!!
You can also email me.. talbany@vvtamps.com


Tony

Tony,

thank you. This is very kind and generous.

All the best,

Max

[nix]

Did I mention that I ghosted all of the solos on 'The Dark Side Of The Moon'? I'm claiming it and you're reading it, so it must be true....

Hey Chris,

I was just listening to your band's myspace - excellent!

Did you back up Return to Forever as well???

I'll never tell...

[Max]

Hi Max and Tony,
maybe we should start a new thread covering the topic of the different tonestacks.

Hi marcos,

I think this is a great idea. My personal perception is, that there is still some confusion in regard to this topic, especially in regard to the "pre-classic" tone stacks of the first three "silverface" ODS generations:

Do all three different chassis "generations" of the "silverface" amps (1st generation with the smaller chassis, 2nd generation with sliding switches, 3rd generation with toggle switches) have the same kind of "pre-classic" tone stack? Or did the "pre-classic" stack change, whenever the design of the "silverface" chassis changed? Or did the tone stack evolve continuously without whatever and whenever "steps". All these questions - and many more of course - could perhaps be the topics of such a thread.

One possibility would be of course, to discuss all the different ODS tone stacks in one single thread. Another one would obviously be, to open different threads for all the different versions:

- pre-classic
- classic
- skyline
- bluesmaster
- ripper / megaplex

This/these thread/s could perhaps be accompanied by schematics of the typical details of each version and their variants posted in the "Dumble Files" section?

marcos, what do you and others here think in regard to this? How shall we start?

Have a great weekend,

Max

[Max]

Hi Max and Tony,
maybe we should start a new thread covering the topic of the different tonestacks.

Hi marcos,

I think this is a great idea. My personal perception is, that there is still some confusion in regard to this topic, especially in regard to the "pre-classic" tone stacks of the first three "silverface" ODS generations:

Do all three different chassis "generations" of the "silverface" amps (1st generation with the smaller chassis, 2nd generation with sliding switches, 3rd generation with toggle switches) have the same kind of "pre-classic" tone stack? Or did the "pre-classic" stack change, whenever the design of the "silverface" chassis changed? Or did the tone stack evolve continuously without whatever and whenever "steps". All these questions - and many more of course - could perhaps be the topics of such a thread.

One possibility would be of course, to discuss all the different ODS tone stacks in one single thread. Another one would obviously be, to open different threads for all the different versions:

- pre-classic
- classic
- skyline
- bluesmaster
- ripper / megaplex

This/these thread/s could perhaps be accompanied by schematics of the typical details of each version and their variants posted in the "Dumble Files" section?

marcos, what do you and others here think in regard to this? How shall we start?

Have a great weekend,

Max

No one interested?

A nice week to all,

Max

[marcos]

Hi Max,
I´ve been considering this for a while, since the topic is discussed
here time and again.I suggest beginning with the pre-classic tonestacks.
I think I will start right now,

Marcos