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tag101 wrote:
FUCHSAUDIO wrote:FWIW: Despite what's going on in your life, you should get out front of it and keep people who sent you thousands of dollars in the loop. It's not fair to leave people hanging like that. I hate to see this happen to anyone. He struck me as a pretty complex dude with a ton of anger issues, and I hope he sorts things out and makes things right.
Andy, You know I love you, and IMO. you make one of the finest sounding D style amps that can be had. That being said, you should NEVER post a negative comment about a competitor. We have had this discussion about Bruno amps years ago, so it seems your opinion on this has not changed. Neither has mine...Now that being said, I truly hope all is well in your world. :) [/img]

TAG: Thanks for your kind comments. I appreciate it. To be clear: My comment wasn't at-all intended to be negative, it was more an observational post and potentially advisory to those affected or those who might send money to a company possibly in trouble. In hindsight, perhaps saying "Looks like Quinn may be going under" may have been less dooming, and I apologize for the phrasing... my-bad

Think of it as a "customer service announcement", not a negative post. Honestly, Quinn should have gotten out in front of the problem themselves.
Supposedly they had 4 or 5 employees committed to build amps that quit ? If that's the case, out it out there. My post is nothing that had not been reported here or at TGP by angry customers. We've all seen the Greg Clark debacle unfold. Perhaps more and quicker communication could have prevented more money being lost. The warnings came too late for many. Oddly, he and Shad were friends, which a few people questioned...understandably.

With all due respect, I the quality of my products and my customer service has proven themselves to be exemplary over the 15 years of being in business. You know what I did ? I did nothing special. I just met normal expectations of a properly run business. I delivered quality products, and backed them up with quality support. I did silly things like keeping customers in the loop on lead times and explaining why something wasn't done in time and when someone could expect their products. Whether it's workers, a vendor, illness, or whatever, it's simple honesty and good business practices. Much like you and the business you have built. Ignore your customers and they will go away. You have been a friend and a customer of mine, and I have no ax to grind with you, nor would I think you to me.

In our case: When a customer gets an amp with a noisy tube, he gets a replacement in the mail within a day. A dealer received the wrong foot switch, he got the right one overnight. That dealer said "man, we deal with many boutique builders every day, and they could all learn something about customer service from you guys". Even when my dad was dying of ALS and I had a fulltime day job, raising two kids, visiting a hospital and then making nursing home visits, and I also was starting this business I still answered customer e-mails within 24 hours.

To this day, I hit a PC or my I phone once an hour between my daily tasks during the day, and usually before I hit bed at night to answer ANY e-mails. There is no logical reason to simply shut down and assume "radio silence" when you have peoples money and their left hanging. It breeeds speculation.

It's interesting that Shad never hesitated to post here and on TGP to prove his knowledge or make his share of snarky comments whenever he could, until the mods put a stop to it. Suddenly he posts nothing. Sorry, but if you (or your partner) can post things to Facebook selling amps for customers, deleting negative comments, and posting sound files and links, you should also be able to own up to what's going on at your business.

Sorry, your not going to convince me join a "feel sorry for Shad" club. I'm even willing to put aside his acerbic comments directed at me or about me (here and elsewhere), and I would still feel sorry(on a human level) for whatever he (and your friend Tony Bruno) are going through. The point here is to communicate.
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Re: Looks like Quinn is going under

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FUCHSAUDIO wrote:
tag101 wrote:
FUCHSAUDIO wrote:FWIW: Despite what's going on in your life, you should get out front of it and keep people who sent you thousands of dollars in the loop. It's not fair to leave people hanging like that. I hate to see this happen to anyone. He struck me as a pretty complex dude with a ton of anger issues, and I hope he sorts things out and makes things right.
Andy, You know I love you, and IMO. you make one of the finest sounding D style amps that can be had. That being said, you should NEVER post a negative comment about a competitor. We have had this discussion about Bruno amps years ago, so it seems your opinion on this has not changed. Neither has mine...Now that being said, I truly hope all is well in your world. :) [/img]

TAG: Thanks for your kind comments. I appreciate it. To be clear: My comment wasn't at-all intended to be negative, it was more an observational post and potentially advisory to those affected or those who might send money to a company possibly in trouble. In hindsight, perhaps saying "Looks like Quinn may be going under" may have been less dooming, and I apologize for the phrasing... my-bad


Maybe, but again, IMO, it would be best served for you to stay away from posting anything negative about a competitor, never mind starting a new thread about it.

Honestly, Quinn should have gotten out in front of the problem themselves.
Of course he should have. But here you go again.

Supposedly they had 4 or 5 employees committed to build amps that quit ? If that's the case, out it out there.
Supposedy?? If??? You are not even sure and you are posting these things on the net?? I talk or email Shad maybe 1-2 times a year, and I know nothing about it.
My post is nothing that had not been reported here or at TGP by angry customers. We've all seen the Greg Clark debacle unfold. Perhaps more and quicker communication could have prevented more money being lost. The warnings came too late for many. Oddly, he and Shad were friends, which a few people questioned...understandably.

With all due respect, I the quality of my products and my customer service has proven themselves to be exemplary over the 15 years of being in business. You know what I did ? I did nothing special. I just met normal expectations of a properly run business. I delivered quality products, and backed them up with quality support. I did silly things like keeping customers in the loop on lead times and explaining why something wasn't done in time and when someone could expect their products. Whether it's workers, a vendor, illness, or whatever, it's simple honesty and good business practices. Much like you and the business you have built. Ignore your customers and they will go away. You have been a friend and a customer of mine, and I have no ax to grind with you, nor would I think you to me.

In our case: When a customer gets an amp with a noisy tube, he gets a replacement in the mail within a day. A dealer received the wrong foot switch, he got the right one overnight. That dealer said "man, we deal with many boutique builders every day, and they could all learn something about customer service from you guys". Even when my dad was dying of ALS and I had a fulltime day job, raising two kids, visiting a hospital and then making nursing home visits, and I also was starting this business I still answered customer e-mails within 24 hours.

To this day, I hit a PC or my I phone once an hour between my daily tasks during the day, and usually before I hit bed at night to answer ANY e-mails. There is no logical reason to simply shut down and assume "radio silence" when you have peoples money and their left hanging. It breeeds speculation.

It's interesting that Shad never hesitated to post here and on TGP to prove his knowledge or make his share of snarky comments whenever he could, until the mods put a stop to it. Suddenly he posts nothing. Sorry, but if you (or your partner) can post things to Facebook selling amps for customers, deleting negative comments, and posting sound files and links, you should also be able to own up to what's going on at your business.
Again. Slam your competitor, blow your own horn.


Sorry, your not going to convince me join a "feel sorry for Shad" club. I'm even willing to put aside his acerbic comments directed at me or about me (here and elsewhere), and I would still feel sorry(on a human level) for whatever he (and your friend Tony Bruno) are going through. The point here is to communicate.
And once again you are assuming. I have met and talked to Tony Bruno ONE time about 12 yeas ago when I picked up my first Cowtipper 45. Does that make us "friends" ? I am a FAN of his amps yes. He makes many of the finest sounding amps I have ever played. Friends? I dont even know the guy. My feeling is you posted that to try and discredit some of the ravings I post of his amps. Not happening. I DO consider Shad a friend, but I have blasted him for his handling of his recent situation via email, and have also told him (by email) that stopping orders untill he is caught up is the best thing he could have done. And although I consider him a friend, I paid for EVERYTHING in the cloning of my amp, which came out to far more that what he sold any of them for. If it did not come out as well as I had hoped, I would have reported it, and I told that to Shad in advance. He was confident he could get the clone to sound every bit as good, and he succeeded. You make a great amp, Shad makes a great amp. You DO treat your customers (including myself) in the proper way, and I consider YOU a friend. You run your bhusinees like I run mine. My hope is that Shad can now move forward and do the same. At the very least, he is trying. And again I will state...Andy Fuchs makes a great amp, is a great guy to deal with, and will go out of his way to make a customer happy. There is no doubt about that. It just bugs me when one company goes off on another, and makes no sense for Fuchs because he has no reason to do it. That is IMO. YMMV.
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Thanks for the input Tag.

BTW: I only mentioned Tony B because you did.

And check your PM's....
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Both Andy and Shad used to go at it pretty good back in the old day's here when Shad used to post..:lol: IMO..Shad could be brutally honest and had no fear about expressing his opinions on an open forum, some of it was in defense of of his brand name, (some was not)..many of us take this personally so it's hard to blame anyone,... Once it starts it always gets WORSE...

I always considered these heated discussions between competitors here without doubt the low point's of this forum and quite honestly don't see how any of that really benefited (if not could damage) their businesses..Such behavior can add an aura of unpleasantness to your reputation. if customers perceive them as being hateful or mean-spirited, they’ll assume the whole organization thinks that way. Kicking someone when they are down is not a positive way to be perceived!..IMO

I think this is part of the reason why some of the amp manufactures don't post much anymore,and a BIG reason why many in the know stopped sharing info...I remember Brandon splitting over an argument here between he and Shad (those got UGLY)..No good ever comes from it..
This is just my opinion!!...With a few facts

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I appreciate the sentiment, and I don't disagree to some degree Tony. I honestly have many people I consider "friendly competitors". Unfortunately Shad chose to be antagonistic and fight me (and others) at every turn. So be it.

I pointed this out simply so people were aware, and not potentially lose money or sleep over it. Nobody wants to see anyone with a business, a wife, kids and a family suffer. My point was simply that any builder should get out in front of these things, before they lose credibility and it gets uglier than it needs to be.
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FUCHSAUDIO wrote:I appreciate the sentiment, and I don't disagree to some degree Tony. I honestly have many people I consider "friendly competitors". Unfortunately Shad chose to be antagonistic and fight me (and others) at every turn. So be it.

I pointed this out simply so people were aware, and not potentially lose money or sleep over it. Nobody wants to see anyone with a business, a wife, kids and a family suffer. My point was simply that any builder should get out in front of these things, before they lose credibility and it gets uglier than it needs to be.
Hi everyone,

I hear you, Andy. At the same time, I instantly question the motivation of anyone posting warnings "in the public interest" when they find a way to insert a self serving paragraph or two.

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The point here is it doesn't take all that much to prevent things like this from destroying a business.
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Shad chose to be antagonistic and fight me (and others) at every turn. So be it.
FUCHSAUDIO wrote:The point here is it doesn't take all that much to prevent things like this from destroying a business.
Andy
I agree Shad had a way with words..:lol:
You will always get those who attack you and your character is tested..
With your name branding there is IMO.. NO reason why you can't easily rise above all of it!

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I think if Mr. Fuchs and Mr.Quinn both read this - Amazon link they might have a better understanding of themselves/ each other.

If the world read it we all might get along better - we can dream...
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Tubetastic wrote:I think if Mr. Fuchs and Mr.Quinn both read this - Amazon link they might have a better understanding of themselves/ each other.

If the world read it we all might get along better - we can dream...
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Andy, I appreciate the 'warning'. I think it's a good deal when people mention the possibility of a potential problem. I didn't read anything more into it than that. The fact that you are a business owner or competitor didn't factor into my thinking. If you were trying to sell me something as a result of your warning then I would have questioned your motiives, but that didn't happen. Thanks.
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talbany wrote: I always considered these heated discussions between competitors here without doubt the low point's of this forum and quite honestly don't see how any of that really benefited (if not could damage) their businesses..Such behavior can add an aura of unpleasantness to your reputation. if customers perceive them as being hateful or mean-spirited, they’ll assume the whole organization thinks that way. Kicking someone when they are down is not a positive way to be perceived!..IMO
Tony
Yes!

Since all Dumble clone manufacturer's and the rest of us are copying the genius Alexander Dumble, those discussions are a merely a Hippocratic blame game, that serves nobody.

We are all guilty of cloning the genius and some make a living by doing so. End of story. Lets move on now.
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talbany wrote:Both Andy and Shad used to go at it pretty good back in the old day's here when Shad used to post..:lol: IMO..Shad could be brutally honest and had no fear about expressing his opinions on an open forum, some of it was in defense of of his brand name, (some was not)..many of us take this personally so it's hard to blame anyone,... Once it starts it always gets WORSE...

I always considered these heated discussions between competitors here without doubt the low point's of this forum and quite honestly don't see how any of that really benefited (if not could damage) their businesses..Such behavior can add an aura of unpleasantness to your reputation. if customers perceive them as being hateful or mean-spirited, they’ll assume the whole organization thinks that way. Kicking someone when they are down is not a positive way to be perceived!..IMO

I think this is part of the reason why some of the amp manufactures don't post much anymore,and a BIG reason why many in the know stopped sharing info...I remember Brandon splitting over an argument here between he and Shad (those got UGLY)..No good ever comes from it..
This is just my opinion!!...With a few facts

Good Luck
Tony
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only one way to settle this words dont mean nothin anyone can run their mouth
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FUCHSAUDIO wrote:FWIW: Despite what's going on in your life, you should get out front of it and keep people who sent you thousands of dollars in the loop. It's not fair to leave people hanging like that.
But if it's "only" 39.95 plus shipping it's OK to scam a buyer and give them the brush-off when you get called out on it ?

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