Best Kit...
Moderators: pompeiisneaks, Colossal
- Monkey Boy
- Posts: 29
- Joined: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:10 am
Best Kit...
Any thoughts on the best kit for a first time build?
Re: Best Kit...
Gilmore Jr. www.guytronix.com because you get a really nice amp, excellent written instructions, and someone to call on the phone if you really get stuck.
Re: Best Kit...
Also worth considering is a Mission Amps 5E3
Re: Best Kit...
Sorry to disagree, Steve. For a first time build, consider the 5E3 is a 5-tube amp vs. the Gilmore Jr is a 2-tube amp. Simpler will give you more confidence and prepare you to move up.
Anyway, you will still struggle with lead dress, filament wiring, and doing the input jack(s). The only way to learn these things is by doing. Plan on wasting some wire and solder.
Anyway, you will still struggle with lead dress, filament wiring, and doing the input jack(s). The only way to learn these things is by doing. Plan on wasting some wire and solder.
Re: Best Kit...
Phil,
No need to be sorry. The internet was invented for disagreements
Anyway, many people build a 5E3 as their first build (including me). It is a more complex build than a 2 tube amp like a Champ (OK, I know a Champ actually has 3 tubes), but the end result is more satisfying too. And there are more opportunities to learn.
But having said that, I am sure that it would be a safer first experience to build a simpler amp. (I've never been one to play it safe).
Steve
No need to be sorry. The internet was invented for disagreements
Anyway, many people build a 5E3 as their first build (including me). It is a more complex build than a 2 tube amp like a Champ (OK, I know a Champ actually has 3 tubes), but the end result is more satisfying too. And there are more opportunities to learn.
But having said that, I am sure that it would be a safer first experience to build a simpler amp. (I've never been one to play it safe).
Steve
- Monkey Boy
- Posts: 29
- Joined: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:10 am
Re: Best Kit...
All I know about STF is that he has been around for a while. I reember when I did my first kit, STF was already on the scene. A Super Champ is not much different from a 5E3 (from a complexity standpoint). The regular Champ is simpler.
I'd stay away from Weber kits. No instructions, no support, and I have heard of a few people that had some issues with fit and finish. Not bad for the price I would imagine, but probably not the best choice for a first build.
I'd stay away from Weber kits. No instructions, no support, and I have heard of a few people that had some issues with fit and finish. Not bad for the price I would imagine, but probably not the best choice for a first build.
Re: Best Kit...
Not sure about STF.
I ordered a Hammond 270EX PT and eventually was informed it would be a 5 week backorder. I got the strange feeling that this is a garage operation, and he orders from suppliers whenever he gets an order. But at least he responded to my inquiries and was polite about it. And credited my card when I said I'd get another PT.
The kits are preloaded, and support is good.
Weber...the thing I'll say about them is they have never failed to fill any of my orders. Can't say about the kits. Their pots are so-so. And I've used a bunch of their transformers with no complaints. (Just make sure to tighten the nuts on the PT's...a strange rattle will ensue if you don't...and they aren't tightened down as they should be). Shipping has been prompt and inexpensive. I'm also a fan of the speakers.
Ceriatone is good for kits.
Hoffman is great for parts.
I ordered a Hammond 270EX PT and eventually was informed it would be a 5 week backorder. I got the strange feeling that this is a garage operation, and he orders from suppliers whenever he gets an order. But at least he responded to my inquiries and was polite about it. And credited my card when I said I'd get another PT.
The kits are preloaded, and support is good.
Weber...the thing I'll say about them is they have never failed to fill any of my orders. Can't say about the kits. Their pots are so-so. And I've used a bunch of their transformers with no complaints. (Just make sure to tighten the nuts on the PT's...a strange rattle will ensue if you don't...and they aren't tightened down as they should be). Shipping has been prompt and inexpensive. I'm also a fan of the speakers.
Ceriatone is good for kits.
Hoffman is great for parts.
Re: Best Kit...
http://dockeryamps.com/web/index.php
http://www.allenamps.com/
http://www.ceriatone.com/index.htm
http://shop.dobermanamps.com/
http://www.adamamps.com/
I beleive these have something for a first time builder.
http://www.allenamps.com/
http://www.ceriatone.com/index.htm
http://shop.dobermanamps.com/
http://www.adamamps.com/
I beleive these have something for a first time builder.
Instructions...I don't need no stinkin instructions
Re: Best Kit...
My first kit was a Ceriatone Liverpool with a moderate number of parts substitutions, it came out very well but I did a lot of research, went slowly, triple checked my work and could not have done it without The Amp Garage, the support here is incredible.
My second build was a Gilmore Jr., much simpler but still very satisfying, and much cheaper if you're going to play around with NOS tubes I might add. It's a great sounding little amp and a very good bedroom/apartment practice amp that actually has some balls when you're allowed to crank it up. Get the 2 watt adapter, it'll give a little more clean headroom.
I'm now gathering the parts to build an Express & another Liverpool but this time from parts and as close to the real thing as I can make them. I'm hooked....
I think if you're careful, relatively neat and willing to redo anything that doesn't come out quite right you could start with any number of kits. You'll be playing a Gilmore Jr. quicker than a Trainwreck.... but I have to admit I got more satisfaction from the Liverpool.
My second build was a Gilmore Jr., much simpler but still very satisfying, and much cheaper if you're going to play around with NOS tubes I might add. It's a great sounding little amp and a very good bedroom/apartment practice amp that actually has some balls when you're allowed to crank it up. Get the 2 watt adapter, it'll give a little more clean headroom.
I'm now gathering the parts to build an Express & another Liverpool but this time from parts and as close to the real thing as I can make them. I'm hooked....
I think if you're careful, relatively neat and willing to redo anything that doesn't come out quite right you could start with any number of kits. You'll be playing a Gilmore Jr. quicker than a Trainwreck.... but I have to admit I got more satisfaction from the Liverpool.
Re: Best Kit...
For a first time build the P1 from Doberman over on AX84 would be hard to beat. That along with the theory document that goes along with it. JMO
- Sonny ReVerb
- Posts: 342
- Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:54 pm
Re: Best Kit...
+1 for the P1. My first was a p1eX which is marginally more complex than the P1.For a first time build the P1 from Doberman over on AX84 would be hard to beat.
[IMG::]http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5160/p1exmp5.th.jpg[/img]
[IMG::]http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3535/p1ex4za5.th.jpg[/img]
Re: Best Kit...
I used a Weber 5E3 kit for a build--the Two Nob Trainwreck rather than the straight 5E3. The cab was really nice, and the chassis and iron were fine. I didn't like the tube sockets, pots and resistors, but so I used others. Weber makes nice speakers, too.
If I was gonna use another Weber kit, I'd order it without sockets, pots, resistors and caps---make my own choices.
If I was gonna use another Weber kit, I'd order it without sockets, pots, resistors and caps---make my own choices.
Rich Gordon
www.myspace.com/bigboyamplifiers
"The takers get the honey, the givers get the blues." --Robin Trower
www.myspace.com/bigboyamplifiers
"The takers get the honey, the givers get the blues." --Robin Trower
Re: Best Kit...
[quote="Monkey Boy"]Anybody familiar with any of these?
http://www.stf-electronics.com/
quote]
the STF super charged champ was my first build. Got me hooked! Pat Bunn is a very helpful dude. His kit instructions are very thorough, too. Good deal all the way around.
http://www.stf-electronics.com/
quote]
the STF super charged champ was my first build. Got me hooked! Pat Bunn is a very helpful dude. His kit instructions are very thorough, too. Good deal all the way around.