100K non HRM Clips

[ayan]

As I am potentially selling this amp, I made a few clips of it. Crude is too polite of a word to describe the way in which the clips were recorded: computer backing tracks through external speakers in the same room as the amp, and the "room mix" captured live by my trusty Sony hand-held cassette recoder -- I know, technology has come a long ways and I need to catch up... Anyway, clams and all since there are no punch-in capabilities in my "home studio."

http://www.ayanmusic.com/ (audio link)

Gil

[makrisp]

As I am potentially selling this amp, I made a few clips of it. Crude is too polite of a word to describe the way in which the clips were recorded: computer backing tracks through external speakers in the same room as the amp, and the "room mix" captured live by my trusty Sony hand-held cassette recoder -- I know, technology has come a long ways and I need to catch up... Anyway, clams and all since there are no punch-in capabilities in my "home studio."

http://www.ayanmusic.com/ (audio link)

Gil

Gil,

I was looking at your amp and you mentioned that it is not an HRM model, but I see an extra trimmer pot and capacitor? Could you explain because it looks somewhat like an HRM design?

Thanks

[skyboltone]

As I am potentially selling this amp, I made a few clips of it. Crude is too polite of a word to describe the way in which the clips were recorded: computer backing tracks through external speakers in the same room as the amp, and the "room mix" captured live by my trusty Sony hand-held cassette recoder -- I know, technology has come a long ways and I need to catch up... Anyway, clams and all since there are no punch-in capabilities in my "home studio."

http://www.ayanmusic.com/ (audio link)

Gil

After all we've (the forum) talked about over the last couple of weeks I would really like to hear what you get with the strat. Have you got one handy? The recording technique may be crude but it's effective too. I hear more "room" in the guitar than the backer.

[ayan]

Could you explain because it looks somewhat like an HRM design?

Thanks

What you see is the infamous "treble bleed network" which I put in all my (non HRM) amps. .001uF cap + trimmer connected from input of 100KL lead master volume to ground.

...I would really like to hear what you get with the strat. Have you got one handy? The recording technique may be crude but it's effective too. I hear more "room" in the guitar than the backer.

Indeed, the amp has more "room" as the speaker cabinet was farther away from the recorder than the computer speakers. My livingroom is very lively sounding due to wooden floors, plenty of glass and a staircase to the upper floor. My cab is open back and the sound bounces everywhere, while the computer speakers are "closed back" (2.5" and made of plastic, of course), so their sound went directly into the mike. As I menrtioned, I have no mixing capabilities.

Regarding the Strat, the 100K amp is a Skyliner and not a good match for a Strat! Between the .01uF midrange cap and the 10uF bypass caps on the clean channel, the Strat just plain doesn't sound right on other than "bluesy" gain levels. Well, unless you go to the bridge pickup alone... but then, the Tele sounds way better for that. It's kind of like the Mesa/Boogie Marks: they can sound great with humbuckers but are just not Strat friendly (to me). If I can get a halfway decent - and you've seen that my standards are not all that high for clips - sound with my Strat, I will post a clip.

Gil

[mat]

Exellent sounding amp ! Does the 100K refer to the OD master or V1 plate resistors ? Do You prefer separate masters on the nonHRM amps of Yours ?

Thanks for the clips, VERY cool playing

[makrisp]

Could you explain because it looks somewhat like an HRM design?

Thanks

What you see is the infamous "treble bleed network" which I put in all my (non HRM) amps. .001uF cap + trimmer connected from input of 100KL lead master volume to ground.

...I would really like to hear what you get with the strat. Have you got one handy? The recording technique may be crude but it's effective too. I hear more "room" in the guitar than the backer.

Indeed, the amp has more "room" as the speaker cabinet was farther away from the recorder than the computer speakers. My livingroom is very lively sounding due to wooden floors, plenty of glass and a staircase to the upper floor. My cab is open back and the sound bounces everywhere, while the computer speakers are "closed back" (2.5" and made of plastic, of course), so their sound went directly into the mike. As I menrtioned, I have no mixing capabilities.

Regarding the Strat, the 100K amp is a Skyliner and not a good match for a Strat! Between the .01uF midrange cap and the 10uF bypass caps on the clean channel, the Strat just plain doesn't sound right on other than "bluesy" gain levels. Well, unless you go to the bridge pickup alone... but then, the Tele sounds way better for that. It's kind of like the Mesa/Boogie Marks: they can sound great with humbuckers but are just not Strat friendly (to me). If I can get a halfway decent - and you've seen that my standards are not all that high for clips - sound with my Strat, I will post a clip.

Gil

Gil,

Amp sounds very good! The treble bleed network, is that basically the post OD/ PAB EQ for high frequencies?
Thanks

[ayan]

Amp sounds very good! The treble bleed network, is that basically the post OD/ PAB EQ for high frequencies?

Thanks, Mark. The treble bleed affects the OD channel, whether the PAB is selected or not. It operates just like a guitar's tone control, dumping highs to ground.

Exellent sounding amp ! Does the 100K refer to the OD master or V1 plate resistors ? Do You prefer separate masters on the nonHRM amps of Yours ?

Thanks for the clips, VERY cool playing

Thanks, Mat. The 100K refers to the plate load resistors in V1 and V2 (1.5K on the cathodes).

Only my latest amp has independent master volumes, and the reason for that is that it started off as an HRM so it was easier to keep that part of the wiring intact. Also, it might come in handy if I decide to give the HRM another try some time in the future. Intellectually speaking, it makes sense to have independent masters, however, I have been using a single master for 10 years and am so used to it that I find it easier to have the amps set up that way.

Cheers,

Gil

[Robert]

Very tasteful playing Gil. I'd like to hear more under better recording conditions. You should have no trouble selling the amp.

Robert

[ayan]

Very tasteful playing Gil. I'd like to hear more under better recording conditions. You should have no trouble selling the amp.

Robert

Thank you, Robert. If I do sell the amp, I will consider investing on a hard drive recorder... really.

Gil

[Robert]

You need not "invest" in a hard drive recorder. There are plenty of relatively inexpensive interfaces to your computer, e.g. Lexicon products, plus a mic and some audio software, for simple stuff free Audacity, and your set with reasonably good quality and all the hard drive recording capacity your computer has. "Computer" hard drives and software are way cheaper than Roland digital records with small hard drives and huge price tags.

Robert

[ayan]

You need not "invest" in a hard drive recorder. There are plenty of relatively inexpensive interfaces to your computer, e.g. Lexicon products, plus a mic and some audio software, for simple stuff free Audacity, and your set with reasonably good quality and all the hard drive recording capacity your computer has. "Computer" hard drives and software are way cheaper than Roland digital records with small hard drives and huge price tags.

Robert

I will lookinto that Robert, thanks for the idea -- I need to get smart on it though, lots of developments in the last several years!

Gil

[Fischerman]

Even through the crude recording I can tell the amp sounds good. Nice playing too.

As I am potentially selling this amp...

LC looking for backups?