Reduced volume with reverb on princeton

Fender Amp Discussion

Moderators: pompeiisneaks, Colossal

Post Reply
rutledj
Posts: 354
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:08 am

Reduced volume with reverb on princeton

Post by rutledj »

Hoping you gurus can help. I did a "retro" build of a princeton reverb. Everything works perfectly unless I try turning the reverb up. When I do, the volume decreases quite a bit (more than half). Reverb does work, just lose a lot of volume.

I have checked and rechecked wiring and components. Replace tubes a couple of times. Does it whether tank is plugged in or not. I've attached pics. Open to any suggestions.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
rutledj
Posts: 354
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:08 am

Re: Reduced volume with reverb on princeton

Post by rutledj »

This one is a real puzzler. Can anyone tell me what kind of signal level I should see coming back from the reverb tank compared to the tank input? Also, shouldn't the signal out of the reverb recovery tube be in phase with the signal out of the 2nd preamp tube (input of 3.3 meg resistor)? Mine appears to be out of phase.

If I disconnect the tank and jumper across the reverb jacks, there is no loss of signal. Really confused on this one.
User avatar
xtian
Posts: 7408
Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:15 pm
Location: Chico, CA
Contact:

Re: Reduced volume with reverb on princeton

Post by xtian »

You may have oscillation due to lead dress at the reverb tube driver socket. There was a thread recently on this subject. The plate wire (pins 1 and 6) must loop AROUND the socket:
Screenshot 2025-09-22 at 8.35.39 AM.png
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
I build and repair tube amps. https://www.monkeymatic.com
Stevem
Posts: 5604
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:01 pm
Location: 1/3rd the way out one of the arms of the Milkyway.

Re: Reduced volume with reverb on princeton

Post by Stevem »

If you unpower the reverb drive transformer ( lift the red wire does the volume drop still take place?
When I die, I want to go like my Grandfather did, peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming like the passengers in his car!

Cutting out a man's tongue does not mean he’s a liar, but it does show that you fear the truth he might speak about you!
sluckey
Posts: 3864
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:48 pm
Location: Mobile, AL
Contact:

Re: Reduced volume with reverb on princeton

Post by sluckey »

Just adding to what xtian said. This may not fix your issue but there is some reason that Fender looped that pin 1 to pin 6 jumper on all their amps, including the PR.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
...Steve
rutledj
Posts: 354
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:08 am

Re: Reduced volume with reverb on princeton

Post by rutledj »

I'll try the looping trick. Disconnecting the reverb transformer still has the same issue.
B Ingram
Posts: 145
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:40 pm

Re: Reduced volume with reverb on princeton

Post by B Ingram »

EDIT: mistaken post.
Last edited by B Ingram on Sat Oct 18, 2025 3:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
jabguit
Posts: 298
Joined: Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:53 am
Location: NC
Contact:

Re: Reduced volume with reverb on princeton

Post by jabguit »

I see orange-orange-green, which should be 3M3, no?
What I'm not seeing is the 220K to ground from that same junction.
IDK
Jack Briggs
Briggs Guitars
sluckey
Posts: 3864
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:48 pm
Location: Mobile, AL
Contact:

Re: Reduced volume with reverb on princeton

Post by sluckey »

jabguit wrote: ↑Sat Oct 18, 2025 11:20 am I see orange-orange-green, which should be 3M3, no?
I agree.
What I'm not seeing is the 220K to ground from that same junction.
The PR does not have that 220K to ground like the AB763 amps.
...Steve
B Ingram
Posts: 145
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:40 pm

Re: Reduced volume with reverb on princeton

Post by B Ingram »

jabguit wrote: ↑Sat Oct 18, 2025 11:20 am I see orange-orange-green, which should be 3M3, no?
Thanks for the correction! I was reading the code backwards, because I didn't go to the other photo to notice that other Orange band.
Post Reply